I've just seen the numbers for the Event 2, and how u calculate those numbers??? I mean u say Hellmuth scores 23 points, but according to the formula he qualifies for remaining top 20% wich is 15 points and using the 2.3 multiplier for the size field that equals 34.5 points!!!

Also, it's my understanding that players from place 2101 up to 1046 (bottom 50% of the remaining) score 11.5 points, so i know at least Negreanu, Ivey, and some others scored at least 11.5 points (may be more if they placed between 2101 and 1674)

All in all, it's a complete pain in the arse to compute the scores of each player for each event, isn't it?, i mean they score just for playing the event rite???

The percentages you're referring to apply not to the tournament as a whole but to those who made the money. So, while Hellmuth was in the top 20% out of 2101 players, he was not in the top 20% out of those who got paid (216 players).

And yeah, trying to calculate these #'s is a pain. Wish ESPN or someone would come out with some software for it.

i'm having the same problem for the nvg draft. Kevmath told me that the WSOP POY formula is different from the Bluff formula. The first tab on the bluff site are the points with wsop formula, the ones you get with the results for every event is the bluff formula.

If you're going with Bluff one, you can at least check everything for every event.
For the WSOP one, i think you'll need to check how many points they have scored so far, and how much they gain for every single event. (unless someone can show me where to get the points for individual events? )

You do not get points just for playing in an event. You have to at least cash to get any points. AFAIK the Bluff scoring system = WSOP scoring system. WSOP uses the Bluff system. I don't where you get that bizarre formula above from.

WSOP POY

WSOP POY formula

Welp, looks like I may have to re-do the points @_@. Really bizarre how they're all just slightly off. I must have done the math wrong or something.

Edit: Looks like Altigiun in the NVG thread got the same numbers as me too. I don't quite understand what we interpreted incorrectly in terms of their POY formula.

For the record, we are using WSOP POY points. If Kevmath said that the total points on the Bluff website/WSOP website are the official points, then we are using those ones. It might mean that we won't have individual tournament points, but we are not going to use the Bluff POY formula for the calendar year.

That means that this is the definitive source for individual player totals: WSOP POY

I was going to start updating my list, but it looks like xIrish has already got a workable one going, so I am happy to keep using that one.

I appreciate that this is the definitive list. But I also question that a list, which cant be backed up by an independent calculation, a list which isnt even supported by the backing (tourney by tourney) documentation, is nothing more than a random assembly of numbers.

Win or lose I think everyone just wants to be able to figure out their own teams point totals so they can verify their calculation against the master.

Right now Im not sure we have that.

Of course my recent run of zerrrrrrrrrrrrrooooooooooos seems to be accurately reflected in all available sources of info :P

There's a post a bit up from here where it's explained why the individual tourney and 2012 WSOP numbers are different.

If Kevmath can vouch for the accuracy of the WSOP total points per player then it's good enough for me.

Edit: just got a PM from Kevmath confirming that the total points per player are accurate for WSOP POY points. The individual points for each event points are for Bluff POY points that include more than WSOP.

Im good with what KevMath says...but Im still confused. I think even MJ posted something earlier in the thread ...

isnt BLUFF calculating//supplying the WSOP POY#s? isnt BLUFF and WSOP #s supposed to be one and (exactly) the same?

did I miss a meeting?

Yes, Bluff is calculating and supplying WSOP POY points. The totals for each player can be found here and that is the list we are using.

Bluff also does their own calendar year POY race that includes events outside of WSOP. So when you click on Event Results tab, it is for that race, not the WSOP race.

So to answer your question, the POY points total should be the same on both sites (and are) but the individual event points that Bluff lists have nothing to do with the WSOP other than that's where the events were played.

yeah, and we had a lovely little party for Grace in HR.

OK, so we are using the original spreadsheet I provided (THIS ONE) to track points. It's going to be total series points.

If you want to see what individual players are getting for events, you can look at Kevmath's sheet here.

Cool? Cool!

Are the numbers in the spreadsheet right? For example, according to Kevmath's list Hellmuth has 42 points, but on my team Hellmuth has not been attributed any points.

thanks for the explanation AW....it makes perfect sense to me that such an upstanding mag as BLUFF could rationalize running 2 diff POY races with the same tournament calculating diff player point totals ....

so I understand now:

(1) individual tourney player point totals are meaningless
(2) pool is determined by the BLUFF summary page, whose totals are verified by KevMath but so far unable to be replicated by anyone in the pool

---not trying to sound snarky...just restating...


KevMath list?? where is that?

pretty sure PH got points in ev2 and ev8...not sure how many tho

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watching the live feed for the O8...seems they set the camera on a ledge across the street from the FT,,,,,,

Here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...UQ1NjaVE#gid=8

The list will be fully updated tomorrow before the start of the day's tournaments. So far we've only completed about half the numbers. So don't worry, PH will get his due pointage

just a heads up to those diligently calculating...

I noticed this official list seems to only have 500 players listed..I cant imagine that EXACTLY 500 players have scored points so far.......are there players ranked >500 who have points that need to be added??

(still think Im missing a few Schemelev pts)

According to the HendonMob, Schemelev has yet to cash in the WSOP this year. I could be wrong and he may have cashed in one of the ongoing events, but I didn't see his name among the payout lists.

And you are correct, it is a bit worrisome that the POY list only counts up to 500 players. We're already looking into ways to make sure every point is accounted for.

Just a heads up that i've been completely missed off the list on the spreadsheet.
I should have at least 403pts, which would put me in first, otherwise I wouldn't mention it. But if there's a full update tomorrow then hopefully it'll be sorted (I really just wanted a screenshot of being in 1st place before it all went to rat **** ). I appreciate all the effort this must involve, so cheers in advance.

Both BLUFF and WSOP have Schemelev cashing for $2,754 in Event 4 (and earning 9.35 BLUFF pts)

http://www.bluffmagazine.com/tournam...077-22916.html

I don't see my team TheDrew (started in row 500 on original list) on these absolutely gorgeous spreadsheets.

That's not our list. That's the NVG list. But you are on our list. Unfortunately, ours is not as pretty.

Kevmath has told me that he will provide numbers for any players not listed in the top 500.

Thanks for everyone's patience. I was travelling all last week and had a hard time putting work in. The list will be up to date by the start of play today.