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whats a good pf strategy for super loose live games whats a good pf strategy for super loose live games

06-24-2008 , 12:46 AM
There is only one casino in Sydney Australia and the lowest cash game is $1/$2 blinds and a buy-in of $80.

A few times I have been on tables where there is almost no pre-flop raising and always 6 or 7 players to each flop. I find that as the game goes on my play tends to loosen. My logic is that I can outplay the table after the flop and that as long as I play less hands than other players I should be ahead.

Although my results have been good recently I have had some tricky hands where I have hit top two pair on the flop, raised half the pot, been reraised all in and lost to a flopped straight with J9 or 65.

Should I (A) only be playing raised flops with decent hands?
Should I (B) accept this as being a bad beat and continue?
Should I (C) be more conservative post flop and only play the nuts?
Should I (D) not play a cash game where the max buy-in is 40BB?


A more specific example;

This was when I was in LA recently, blinds were $2/$3, buy-in $100.

Other than the fact that the players were loose I don't remember any reads.

My stack: $350
Button stack: $250
SB stack: $180

I am SB with K2, about 6 players limp, I complete, BB checks

Flop K 8 2 rainbow (pot = $21)

I check, BB raises $12, 5 folds, button reraises to $70, hero?
06-24-2008 , 01:01 AM
Snapfold. Every live player is a nit and always have the nuts. Plus you wouldn't ever want to risk losing 60 dollars in a 1/2 game with 2 pair.
06-24-2008 , 05:14 AM
First of all, why are completing K2 from the SB if you don't want to get it in after hitting two pair

Secondly, how can you outplay anyone postflop in a 7 way pot when you're first to act?
06-24-2008 , 05:18 AM
yet another example why these forums need cleaning up...move to micro stakes plz
06-24-2008 , 05:19 AM
option D imo
06-24-2008 , 07:58 AM
I think rake is a huge factor in how u should play. After half an hour of watching them rake 10% i think capped at $8 in adelaide but i saw $10 rake on the higher table (5-5 with 250 max buy-in) I thought **** this game is close to unbeatable(Play was still quite bad but half the table was decent). Then i realised im only paying that rake when i win the pot so the tighter i play the less rake im paying and when their taking 3BBs out a pot thats got to addup quick.

This got me thinking about last time i played at the goldcoast where they rake u $1 a hand. I only played an hour playing standard TAG(as much as thats possible in a super loose shortstak game) and lost $50 played 1 hand A9 because i was frustrated as i think that was the best hand i got. So lost $20 on that hand and $30 on rake.

Anyway after adelaide recently this got me thinking that for Starcity, goldcoast melbourne (im assuming they still charge $1 off every1 each hand?) Because you've already payed the rake it really pays to open up your range as far as possible considering how bad the players are.

So in standard structure high rake games 10-15% vpip is probably optimal. Whereas in these $1each high rake games it might be better to play 20-30% vpip. What really sucks is the low buy-in amount. So i guess loosening up alot would be good as long as the bad players are offering semi-decent implied oddds with their stacks. IE they at least have close to the $80.
06-24-2008 , 09:19 AM
wow, this structure sounds awful. Play 30 hands per hour, pay $30 in rake, er, why bother?
06-24-2008 , 11:17 AM
Well if u want to play live poker in aus u have the choice of over raked short buy-in games like this. Free pub poker and home games. Adelaide went from like 15 tables with a 2 hour wait on a sat. night to like 6 tables walk in and play greedy casinos are killing the game here. And well the other 2 are somewhere between poker and a drinking game.
06-24-2008 , 12:08 PM
E - ALL OF THE ABOVE

There are 1326 unique hold'em hands.

You get dealt 30 hands per hour.

It will take you more than 44 hours to have a sample large enough where you could have been dealt each unique hand (1326/30=44.2). It will take you 440+ hours to have been involved in a hand with AA 60 times on average which equates to 11 weeks of play, 8 hours per day 5 days per week.

How long do you think it will take for your results to even out against bad beats and give you any real insight about your play?

Spoiler:
The answer is - YEARS
06-24-2008 , 12:17 PM
dont play
06-24-2008 , 01:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thanksb
yet another example why these forums need cleaning up...move to micro stakes plz
along with a bunch of other basic posts
06-24-2008 , 04:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by miaowmiaowchowface
along with a bunch of other basic posts
Along with all the unnecessary sarcasm.
Admittedly, a great part of the strategy posts are very basic and pose questions that are trivial for most 200NL+ regulars, but what are y'all trying to accomplish by deriding the OPs?

Will this forum be a better place when it'll be a dozen people left, only posting in the chat threads?
06-24-2008 , 08:28 PM
Option D)... Play online or go to Crown in Melbourne where you can play with deeper stacks.
06-24-2008 , 08:40 PM
the MSNL games in sydney are good, you can go south though the 1/2 game is terribad, moveup/BJ.
06-24-2008 , 09:25 PM
Thanks for advice so far,

I had already decided to quit the live game until i can afford the higher levels but just wanted to see what others thought.

and yes I will post on micro next time
06-24-2008 , 11:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Levy
Along with all the unnecessary sarcasm.
Admittedly, a great part of the strategy posts are very basic and pose questions that are trivial for most 200NL+ regulars, but what are y'all trying to accomplish by deriding the OPs?

Will this forum be a better place when it'll be a dozen people left, only posting in the chat threads?
less threads of similar ilk I guess
06-25-2008 , 07:13 AM
tip the dealer and tell him to not rake yourrrrrrr pots

      
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