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10-02-2008 , 10:19 AM

philsrightthere

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What is the win rate of those pesky (pro) short stackers? I was wondering since I haven't played that much on stars this year and have 60k VPPs to go to make supernova if I could just relatively break even short stacking some to get the points. Also wondering what those 24 tabling short stackers make in terms of PTBB/100...the good ones anyway. Basically, what is a good win rate for 12-24 table shortstacking 20-30bb?

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10-02-2008 , 10:25 AM

Ulkis

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Originally Posted by philsrightthere

... if I could just relatively break even short stacking some to get the points...

Prepare yourself for abuse for even considering this.

10-02-2008 , 10:32 AM

imsomucked

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when i did it i made 1.5ptbbs/100 at 200nl and i played like 1300 hands/hour

10-02-2008 , 10:33 AM

philsrightthere

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Originally Posted by Ulkis

Prepare yourself for abuse for even considering this.

why? i see threads like these: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...ets-do-311050/

and i actually have a roll to play with....so why not get supernova for like 80hrs of 12 table short stacking?

10-02-2008 , 10:38 AM

BT2

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Originally Posted by imsomucked

when i did it i made 1.5ptbbs/100 at 200nl and i played like 1300 hands/hour

dont encourage him

10-02-2008 , 10:41 AM

speedle

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hey bro!!!!!!!!!!! I know for a fact that you can make 10ptbb/minute shortstacking 200NL and 100NL. GIVE IT A TRY NOW!! ALSO THERE IS A PLAYER THERE CALLED speedle WHO SPEWS VS THOSE GUYS SO IT'S FREE MONEY!

10-02-2008 , 10:41 AM

imsomucked

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Originally Posted by BT2

dont encourage him

meh i thought i was a verryyyy good shortstacker.... i'm pretty sure like 95% of the people that decide to shortstack are very bad at it and it just means one less reg.

10-02-2008 , 11:04 AM

orentha

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Quote:

Originally Posted by philsrightthere

What is the win rate of those pesky (pro) short stackers?

http://www.tableratings.com/overview/wlody

http://www.tableratings.com/overview/mazze0815

http://www.tableratings.com/overview/urfimjus

http://www.tableratings.com/overview/claim0r

(that's only a couple i could think of off the top of my head... but they are all pretty much like that)

enjoy

10-02-2008 , 11:05 AM

philsrightthere

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Quote:

Originally Posted by imsomucked

when i did it i made 1.5ptbbs/100 at 200nl and i played like 1300 hands/hour

over how many hands did you achieve this?

10-02-2008 , 11:11 AM

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philsrightthere

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Originally Posted by orentha

i mean sure, only one i recognize out of these is claim0r and he absolutely sucks....there have to be some WINNING ss'ers out there but whatever...i feel i posted a legit question and you guys are just enjoying flaming me to up your post counts

10-02-2008 , 11:12 AM

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kcheel

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I think of all the SS'ers I have a decent amount of hands on, there is only maybe 1 or 2 that are in the green. Most are slight losers, even the "better" ones.

10-02-2008 , 11:24 AM

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philsrightthere

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Originally Posted by kcheel

I think of all the SS'ers I have a decent amount of hands on, there is only maybe 1 or 2 that are in the green. Most are slight losers, even the "better" ones.

only reason i ask obv is because ss poker is easy to play and i can 12 or 16 table it....playing normal 100bb stack i can only play like 6 tables optimally...thus VPP = slow

10-02-2008 , 11:30 AM

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jinmoon

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Quote:

Originally Posted by philsrightthere

only reason i ask obv is because ss poker is easy to play and i can 12 or 16 table it....playing normal 100bb stack i can only play like 6 tables optimally...thus VPP = slow

so you're saying you'd rather be a rakeback pro then learning how to play poker?

10-02-2008 , 11:44 AM

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LuxAeterna

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DIE!!!!

actually just buy in for 100bb plz.

that is all carry on..................

10-02-2008 , 11:47 AM

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K.O.S.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by philsrightthere

why not get supernova for like 80hrs of 12 table short stacking?

If my math is right, 80 hours of 12 tabling will only get you like 35K VPP's at SSNL.

10-02-2008 , 11:48 AM

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Johnes Benjamin

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Originally Posted by jinmoon

so you're saying you'd rather be a rakeback pro then learning how to play poker?

seriously. Overall you'd make a lot more money focusing on playing a fullstack well and getting a few less FPP's, 1.5pt is like the MAXXXX you could possibly achieve and I highly doubt you will approach it

10-02-2008 , 12:04 PM

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philsrightthere

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Originally Posted by Kos13

If my math is right, 80 hours of 12 tabling will only get you like 35K VPP's at SSNL.

i already have like 45k or something on the year....ok so 100hours or whatever...nevermind i'm not gonna bother

i just wanted to know what a winning short stack player makes thats all and no one is bothering to answer the question

10-02-2008 , 12:15 PM

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orentha

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Quote:

Originally Posted by philsrightthere

sorry, but I'd gladly post a winning shortstacker if I knew one... Yea, i've seen a couple winners, but that was only over a few thousand hands.
every single one I've ever looked up on tableratings that has over 50k hands has had a negative ptbb...

10-02-2008 , 12:23 PM

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Ulkis

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Originally Posted by philsrightthere

why?

I was expecting a barrage of abuse like "DIE SHORTSTACKER DIE!!!" etc but sometimes this forum does surprise me.

10-02-2008 , 12:41 PM

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LuxAeterna

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kos13

If my math is right, 80 hours of 12 tabling will only get you like 35K VPP's at SSNL.

around 31-35k vpps @ 200nl for 80hours of 12 tabling

10-02-2008 , 12:51 PM

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il_martilo

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I've dealt with them for a long time and have never met one that could sustain better than 1BB/100

10-02-2008 , 01:08 PM

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RosaParks

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Gtfo, *****, etc..

10-02-2008 , 01:37 PM

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ShipDaSherb

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Shortstacking simply doesn't work anymore at this level... I used to be one myself and was basically breakeven after fpps. You see a constant stream of people trying it for several months and then eventually they give up.

10-02-2008 , 01:46 PM

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srkbigdaddy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ShipDaSherb

i disagree. shortstacking just like full or midstacking can be profitable as long as the player is good at playing their stack. there are short stackers that make alot of money but fly way under the radar. not that it really matters but i have 2 shorties in my db with a 1pt/bb win rate over a good size sample. just the fact that you couldnt do it doesnt mean it cant be done. not saying you arent a competant player, just maybe your s/s skills or flipping skills arent good enough