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11-10-2009 , 01:52 AM
Villain is a 14/11 losing reg

Is betting the turn standard? If so what's a good bet size here?

And WTF is his range that doesnt raise this flop? KQdd?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Hero (UTG) ($116.55)
MP ($309.55)
Button ($103)
SB ($45.90)
BB ($117.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J
Hero bets $3.50, MP calls $3.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($8.50) A, 10, 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.50, MP calls $4.50

Turn: ($17.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $11, MP raises to $25, Hero folds

Total pot: $33.50 | Rake: $1.65
11-10-2009 , 02:06 AM
check da flop

but if you want to turn your hand into a bluff then go ahead and barrel the turn
11-10-2009 , 03:47 AM
this is a pretty good example of levelling yourself op. Who cares what he's repping? You turned your hand into a bluff and ran into a good hand. Check flop and either call or fold depending on villain/reads.
11-10-2009 , 03:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GT30
check da flop

but if you want to turn your hand into a bluff then go ahead and barrel the turn
this.

imo though, he either has the flush already or he has ax (probably aces up) and is just getting to showdown free or betting if no flush comes
11-10-2009 , 11:25 AM
check the flop??
what??

if we check the flop villain will KNOW we dont have the ace and kick us off the best hand like 23094823894% of the time.

in this case JJ is the same of 66 well that is just my thinking
11-10-2009 , 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 80kilos
check the flop??
what??

if we check the flop villain will KNOW we dont have the ace and kick us off the best hand like 23094823894% of the time.

in this case JJ is the same of 66 well that is just my thinking
I think the majority of the time if villian has a weak ace/Ten or PP with a D he wouldnt try so hard to be bluffing you off the best hand so if he does fire 3 streets when checked to I think its prob a hand hes betting for value or air. Just my thoughts.
11-10-2009 , 02:02 PM
If you regularly get pushed off the best hand when you check flops like this, you are checking too weak of a range - either that or you are not picking off bluffs well.

You should be checking here against regs with hands as strong as TPTK - and, in general, occasionally checking overpairs, etc, ESPECIALLY when you have a flush draw on a monotone board or a BDFD on a 2-tonee board (esp with the strongest hands that you check like TPTK and overpairs like QQ)

This will make hands like this easier to play and it will often let you get to showdown with pocket pairs like 22-55 that you just decided to check/fold - it will scare people out of trying to push you off a hand when they have a strong-ish hand like KdQx on this board.

As played, you don't really have a choice but to fold - dunno what he has, but if you call here, you have to call a lot of rivers. I think your weak bet-sizing on flop and turn also made this hand harder to play - you may have induced a bluff or a weird slow-play. You are OOP, you need to bet slightly bigger to discourage weird floats, etc if you do decide to bet. But, as discussed, you should be checking this flop.
11-10-2009 , 02:22 PM
Flop bet is good. I would check-call turn and probably check-fold any non diamond rivers.
11-10-2009 , 03:22 PM
I find that, against nl 100 and most 200 regs, checking the turn here is just gonna lead to weird spots, because people don't take lines like this often enough (esp with strong hands) to warrant any fear on their part - that is, often, players will peel the flop with like TJo or 99 with a FD and then, when you check the turn, they will ration that you would bet any good hand, so they will bet the turn and bet the river, which makes it confusing.

Ranka - I am wondering what hands you would bet the flop and check the turn with that are basically never folding? I know that it's pretty weak to be check/folding the turn almost every time you check after betting the flop, but I'm having trouble considering a range that would bet the flop and either check/call or check/raise the turn... something to ponder...
11-10-2009 , 03:24 PM
He's repping a flush. It's up to you whether you believe him. On this board I would!
11-10-2009 , 03:40 PM
what's the point of your flop bet? Getting value from a 9 high flush draw or pair of tens? I'd check/call the flop.
11-10-2009 , 04:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguinz21
I find that, against nl 100 and most 200 regs, checking the turn here is just gonna lead to weird spots, because people don't take lines like this often enough (esp with strong hands) to warrant any fear on their part - that is, often, players will peel the flop with like TJo or 99 with a FD and then, when you check the turn, they will ration that you would bet any good hand, so they will bet the turn and bet the river, which makes it confusing.

Ranka - I am wondering what hands you would bet the flop and check the turn with that are basically never folding? I know that it's pretty weak to be check/folding the turn almost every time you check after betting the flop, but I'm having trouble considering a range that would bet the flop and either check/call or check/raise the turn... something to ponder...
its just about line balancing. you can check flop, or bet flop if you balance well w bluffs, underpairs, tp hands. however the vast majority of the time i prefer to bet A, K, Q high flops because i think at this levels ppl wo an A,K,Q are going to fold if they do not have tp and you can have ATC (assuming on the button).

in this spot hero is on utg so i would bet flop and check fold turn.
11-10-2009 , 04:10 PM
once he calls on the flop you have to be beat, I check fold turn
11-10-2009 , 05:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguinz21
I find that, against nl 100 and most 200 regs, checking the turn here is just gonna lead to weird spots, because people don't take lines like this often enough (esp with strong hands) to warrant any fear on their part - that is, often, players will peel the flop with like TJo or 99 with a FD and then, when you check the turn, they will ration that you would bet any good hand, so they will bet the turn and bet the river, which makes it confusing.

Ranka - I am wondering what hands you would bet the flop and check the turn with that are basically never folding? I know that it's pretty weak to be check/folding the turn almost every time you check after betting the flop, but I'm having trouble considering a range that would bet the flop and either check/call or check/raise the turn... something to ponder...
Do it the same with AK, AQ, AJ.
11-13-2009 , 06:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ranka
Do it the same with AK, AQ, AJ.
you mean regardless of whether you have a flush draw and plan to call turn and call most rivers?
11-13-2009 , 08:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ranka
Flop bet is good. I would check-fold turn and probably bet-fold smallish any non diamond rivers if he checks back..
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