o snap

you were a shortstacker and try to talk to me about ethics? I'm at least open to what I've done wrong and admit it. I know everyone has made a wrong choice at one time or another in their life or poker career to be more on topic. What I find interesting though is your obsession with me. In the end, I've paid what was owed (and more).

Yeah, I agree you have paid... but 2 years after, only to have a deal for Barcelona, and when your bankroll is probably 6 digits.

But when you have only $10 and you need to give someone 5$, it is hard, but you have to do it if the deal was like that. When you have $100,000, you don't care about giving $10.

If you don't understand that, nobody can trust you.

i do understand and I agree it was a huge mistake. That said though, better late than never. I thought I had paid it back long ago, but when it was revisted recently, I viewed my history on PStars.

My above posts are in semi-jest and just a bit of banter, however don't be surprised if some others are more hostile towards you.

For the record, as I've said before, you don't endear yourself to people, but I personally have no desire or reason to "hate" anyone ofnan internet forum (or in real life for that matter.)

So I will offer you my worldly advice:

Just take anything that is thrown at you over this, don't respond to any insults, and- most importantly- don't try and defend your actions in anyway (because they can't be) and any feeble excuses simply devalue any effort that you may now make to right those wrongs.

Try and learn from this experience. You're still just an immature kid (that is not meant as an insult) and hopefully as you grow up, you can develop your character with the aim of becoming a well respected, honest, and sincere person.

I see right through your god awful troll

*Sigh* Well, at least I tried.

I'm giving you some good, honest advice. As I said, others have/will choose to do nothing but insult you and hope for future misfortune for you

cliffs: correct me if i'm wrong

circa 2 yrs ago- pettey gets $2 stake from Blucky430 on PTP site. He turns $2 into $112 in tourney but never pays back Blucky430 the $56 he owes him and even has pm convo with Blucky430 explicitly telling him that he will not pay back the money and says this:

"I just am being selfish and looking out for my own bankroll. I admit it's wrong but I'd pay u back in full when my BR is large enough. I just don't feel it's large enough though. Report me if you feel necessary though. Sorry for being dishonest but since I placed so high..."

circa 1 week ago petty returns to ptp seeking acceptance and showing his ptr graph and now determines his br his sufficient to pay back the $56 (coincidentially he also wants to stake some people and needs to pay back the $56 in order to be accepted back)

mods at ptp ask pettey to explain his actions, pettey responds in pettey style by claiming no knowledge of incident and berating people questioning him but he does pay back $56. Then more undeniable proof (incl. pm convo from above) of the scummy action is introduced to the ptp thread and then pettey stops berating and sends an unknown 2 figure $ sum to Blucky as compensation or an 'apology' as pettey called it.

Blucky says ok but how about an actual apology or explanation. Pettey takes a lot of time to try to undo his mistake and responds with "I apologize to you for what I did. It was scummy and wrong. It's nothing personal though. I just got caught up in the moment."

PTP mods ban pettey from their forum

thx for cliffs.

Wow dud that's low. Gl to everyone who has his action in barc.

oh and fwiw, there's nothing unethical about short stacking.

there's something unethical about ratholing though. and these days they go hand in hand. can't really think of a single "professional" shortstacker who doesn't rathole.

Don't tell him I said it but- he was original pulled up on a separate scam. It was then discovered that when his original account was banned because he stole money, he set up another account to repeat the pettey theft with a different victim.

i just realized irony of his sn

It's amazing how you and rom try to put me down constantly. Rom because I always attacked him for being a shortstacker, and you because you whined during your SNE chase instead of manning up. Let me explain to you what happened

I didn't even have the opportunity to look at past threads due to their restrictions of people with "accounts with investigations", but I can see them now.

2.5 years ago in April, I made the mistake of doing what you said. I rolled a guy after a $2.5 tournament score. Whether what the guy wrote is true, I have no idea. The other stake that was an issue, I believe I just lost fairly. I never was reported for that one, and people would always report if there was an issue. There's no way I'd get another stake 1 month later if that was the case.

A couple weeks ago, I came back to PTP after my friend told me there was money to be made in staking. He knew a decent amount of members there. I tried to register for the site, but my email had been in use. I password recovered and found I had already a name and a few points. I proceeded to stake 2 people directly in SM first day, and lost both. I saw people who were worse than I getting staked, and I tried so myself for live events. There were several people interested but in the end, all of them said I had too low of points to do anything. Several recommended I do a cash game BAP so that I could get some points and show I was there to stay.

About 5 days ago, I made a cash game BAP at NL100, that I planned on playing around 10k hands. I figured that would be enough to ensure a high chance of winning. It actually wasn't my idea, but instead the friend that referred me back to the site. At the very least, I could get some points anyway because I stopped going for SNE but those milestone bonuses were good. This is when everything was linked together. I trusted that the admin knew everything because I couldn't view threads. Looking back now, I think the original "roll" was actually wrong. I never remembered such a thing and nothing makes sense about it after that.

The second one, sadly was true though. I thought I had paid that off a year+ ago, but when i viewed my history that wasn't true. It was out of my mind, and forgotten about. As for apologizing to Blucky, what am I supposed to say? I'm genuinely sorry that I was selfish and immature and it doesn't take an essay to write that.

The admin banned me, calling me a degen and stating playing stupid was a major reason. I don't bull**** though, and forgot about the whole thing. It was 2.5 years ago. I was still in HS at the time, that far back. All of these mistakes that are being brought up, were when I was a lot more immature. I still have moments, but I do pay up bets, do pay out to people and AM an honest guy. I don't bull**** like these people think, but I do troll occasionally.

No. read post above. I never did a thing wrong on my new account.

A known scammer/cheat/liar can't expect people to believe he is now honest simple because he says he is.

Besides it was just this week that you continued to lie about your recollection of events- instead preferring to take the common route of a guilty party; that of acting angrily and offensive towards the accusations. You finally recalled under the pressure put on you Turn4Tori, the PTP mod.

Sure, you possibly wouldn't now cheat someone out of $50, but is that down to a change of character- or simply because you have more money now?

Oh, and "everyone makes mistakes" as you say isn't the same as "everyone scams and cheats people out of their money."

lie about what? You are just making things up at this point. I did quite the opposite. I had no idea about the first thing said but I believed the admin and sent the $20. Looking back at it harder, I think I am owed $20 and that the BAP was never closed. As I already stated, the staker never wrote anything bad about it that I can see. If I had "rolled" him, then why wouldn't he write a thing (unless I'm missing something here).

Cliffs: Quit making up things and instead of spending your time here accusing me of things, spend some time on things that matter. Don't you have children?

btw i don't put you down constantly. I took the time to read the other thread b/c I invested money in you during LAPT Mar Del Plata earlier this year so obv I had an interest and i was just trying to save people the time and sum up what I thought were the main points of the other thread. Yea, I thought you acted dumb last year and yes I was chasing SNE at the time (and sure I prolly acted dumb too) but i'll admit you've been fine lately with just a little trolling here and there which i also agree is fine in moderation.

Yes, I'm a little taken aback that I trusted you with a few hundred bucks of my money but I also agree that we all make mistakes and hopefully we all learn from them. If I was coming down at all on you in my cliffs of this incident it was b/c it seemed, from your posts in the ptp thread and itt, that you were in denial of what you did. From your statement 4 posts up, though, it does appear that you have humility and regret for the incident and I respect that. Some may flame me but I would invest in you again in the future given the right circumstances. You are obv a talented player.

If I had remembered that incident, then why the hell would I have gone back? Just makes no sense how some people expect worse case scenario for everything.

I am a bit jumpy atm with this whole situation.

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ok back to well... why are you stopping the SNE chase? how many vpps do you have? seems like you were staying at a pace and obv winning. why give up all the value at the end?

fwiw I've done a few thousand in transfers with him and one instance where I sent him $30 extra on accident that he sent back when I wouldn't have even realized it if he'd kept it. Obviously it's not as much now that he's not grinding $2 tourneys or w/e back then but at least it shows he's not a total scammer and would do anything to get as much as he can. Also I'm assuming you're going to be fine staking him in a big EPT tourney like that just because his real life info is known by some people and I'm assuming if he scammed people for 6 figures the extent of it wouldn't just be being banned from a message board. But yeah that does seem pretty scummy. Freerolling on a stake is basically stealing and if it was any real amount of money there's no proof that it would have been paid back. Just because he's moved up in poker and now the $50 or w/e it was isn't much money to him made it seem like the he was only paying it back to clear his name. Like in his case paying the $50 is certainly worth the reputation for purely selfish reasons. Now what if it was all in private and his reputation wasn't at stake? I'd like to hope he still would have paid it back there's just no proof of that (and never can be) and that's the big problem I think.

I stopped going for SNE for the very same reason you hated it. It's an absolute mind**** of a grind and it takes a truly special person to do it. I was on pace or at least close until June when I went to Vegas for a few months. Once August rolled around I was at least a month behind with 505k vpp's and gave up. Since, I've played 6m with anywhere from 4-6 tables normally. I think long term, I'm looking better and short term I lost a little money. I've had great results so far though, so who knows until end of year if it was bad.

So for the delay in responding, Monday's is the afternoon I do my volunteer work at the local school for mentally handicapped, blind, orphaned children. Then on the way back I had to stop and help a small baby sparrow that had hurt it's wing. Anyway, I guess only time will tell whether you're able to change your spots or not...

young punks don't deserve wells.

"You want to say something, put it in my own thread. Don't litter other people's threads."

As you wish...

I don't defend what pettey did at all but I do believe he is above this stuff any more and while I think that he can be a little bit of a troll I think there is a good man there too.