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09-24-2009 , 10:40 PM

dan797s

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What vpip/pfr at a table would you stop playing? I try not to play if a game is too tough. Your thoughts........

09-24-2009 , 10:44 PM

hurt

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low vpip != tough table

assuming that by vpip you mean players/flop

09-24-2009 , 10:49 PM

yemen

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just make sure you have position on at least one fish

09-25-2009 , 12:12 AM

blame_hofmann

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If you're playing a low amount of tables then you can bumhunt and try and find tables with a VPIP over 20 @ 100NL.

It depends on your style of play, some players would find a 13/9 TAg/nitfish table a reasonably attractive proposition.

09-25-2009 , 12:14 AM

jasons0147

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I think at like 25NL and maybe 50NL that vpip/pfr can be ur deciding factors for staying or leaving at a table. The probelm is that as you move up a lot of the regs have learned how to play a LAG style so its really not doing you a whole lot of good to look at those averages. Just look around that table and make sure have reasons to be there.

09-25-2009 , 03:16 AM

dan797s

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Do you think 17,18,19,20? When would you stop playing because of a bad table?

09-25-2009 , 03:41 AM

K.O.S.

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My usual rule of thumb is that anything under 16 is bad (unless the PFR is like 4, which it never is). I usually just click open 16 tables, play one orbit, and check the table averages. Unless there's a whale at the table, I'll close anything that has a sub-16 cumulative VP$IP. Then, I just open up some new tables and repeat the process until I'm at 12-14 playable tables.

EDIT: It's tough to maintain 12 "good" tables without using waiting lists, though. When fish bust, they're replaced by a SS like 95% of the time, which helps ruins that table.

09-25-2009 , 04:05 AM

AlexB182

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dan797s

Do you think 17,18,19,20? When would you stop playing because of a bad table?

dude, you should probably reread the replies but I'll repeat it for you: there are no strict rules for what a good or a bad table is and it is obv not possible to figure that by using some arbitrary numbers...

Seriously, your stupid question really tilts me after you have actually received some decent replies...

09-25-2009 , 07:41 AM

HitmanHaydon

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dan797s

Do you think 17,18,19,20? When would you stop playing because of a bad table?

It all depends when you're playing and what the traffic is like.
If there are loads of 20+ tables with few players waiting then then its stupid to play on the tight ones.

At low traffic times you might be forced to play on these though.
Just try to find tables where you have an edge, that could be fish, nits to you left etc etc.

09-25-2009 , 09:33 AM

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dan797s

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexB182

Wow rip on the guy who is new to poker with 28 posts. I'm just trying to learn here. I didn't know someone could be so cool

09-25-2009 , 10:00 AM

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jasons0147

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Alex, why do we even bother?

09-25-2009 , 02:52 PM

#12

GoAheadPutMeOnAK

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kos13

Similar approach to Kos. Sub-14 is usually my threshold. Generally short stacks are going to cause me to leave rather than any sort of cumulative stats.

09-25-2009 , 04:11 PM

#13

GT30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dan797s

Wow rip on the guy who is new to poker with 28 posts. I'm just trying to learn here. I didn't know someone could be so cool

i have a script that auto sits me out 100% of the time when the table is below %19.666667 players per flop. i ran a simulation. i'll fax you the results to your pokerstars account

09-25-2009 , 11:45 PM

#14

king_nothing_

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16 and under.

09-26-2009 , 11:36 AM

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AlexB182

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jasons0147

Alex, why do we even bother?

no clue, too much time probably...

09-26-2009 , 04:53 PM

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RajHendon

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I find time of day matters more than VPIP. At the right time of day, you don't need great table selection.

09-26-2009 , 05:11 PM

#17

keylimepie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yemen

just make sure you have position on at least one fish

I'm also new to this, so I actually want to have at least two fish at a table...which usually means that the players/flop is 19% or above. If there's only one fish that I see at the table, then I'm probably the 2nd fish!

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