Probably doesn't matter because I'll probably never see a hand like this again, but I figured I'd post it bc it's still bothering me.

Reason for PF is UTG+2 is a huge 30/10 drooler from Korea that doesn't like to fold. Seemed +EV to me at the time, but I'm open to other opinions.

MP3 is a 55/35 monkey over 100-150 hands so far.

lead flop, fold now

Fold please

Fold preflop. as played, bet/call flop
it's a meh spot. if both players are really ******ed you can't fold.

Not sure how we are ever folding given this info.

my initial reaction was also to call but i sure do like to lose big pots so maybe you should fold

yea i wouldnt fold

lol wp, this sentence and your avatar go perfectly together (no idea who that is though)

i fold pre unless it's a limp-fest, i agree with advice to lead flop, and as played i call. i would like to hear why people think it's a fold?

donks play like all XXss, WB/SA so poor equity, drawing dead against at least one of them a significant % of the time, utg+2 is passive, not that good pot odds, etc etc

its michael bolton! i chose this avatar because i make that face at least twice hourly while grinding.

Just the way that was phrased, my face is drenched in tears from laughter.


Also, if I'm stuck, I am snap-calling here. If I'm up, I probably make a disciplined fold. I feel like two monkies aren't going to turn up overflushes here a bunch, though.

This needs to be your avatar for everything btw

Probs the best bit of that video when he pretends to be forest gump lol

Im calling here.

+1

WB/SA?

The first AI feels like he is trying to protect something while justifying his action by telling himself "I am never folding anyways." does it not? I would think set+ vs bad fish but there are no sets given pre action so I would consider KQ w a spade here and sometimes a small flush that just wants the pot. A small flush in a fishes hand does this more on the turn after getting some value on the flop I think though.

The R AI is a flush most of the time I think. I might entertain the thought that it was something else if he timed banked before acting?

Do you call if it is folded to you?

loss: 98, KQ, K9, K8, Q9, Q8ss
win: 54, 53, 43ss
you also beat sets, 2p and straights (all combos of KQ is in).

MP3 probably has set or AKxs, Aqxs (maybe 2p)
Drooler has a straight, set or flush and 2p.

I'd call.

pretty severe misassessment of their ranges if you really believe that the only flushes donks can have are 1-3 gappers.

did some brief stoving and against dual ranges of any 2 spades, all sets and all 2 pairs you have 29% equity. with likelihood of one of them showing up with bare Ks or Ks/Qs with something, and hands like K3s/Q2s/K2s/etc being slightly downweighted it's probably a call imo. also way too many combos of Ks+straight draw that are unfoldable for a donk. the fact that the monkey shoved first really helps a lot too.

at first i thought the increased likelihood of drawing dead due to multiway pot really hurt your equity but i guess that is not the case. so yeah i'm in call camp now.

Both Villains are droolers + who the hell overshoves a medium flush+ on the flop anyway? Snapcall, both of these guys can have all sorts of one pair/two pair nonsense, and sets obv.

If they are behind, they have a lot of outs. If you are behind, you have 0 outs. Deep, blablabla, it's a fold.

I really think you should just fold pre. the limp behind is....mediocre at best.

I am not still not convinced this is a call btw

I agree...but I sure as hell don't want to iso and I don't want to fold either.

Really close but I think it's a fold.

If the PFR shoved you could put him on AA/KK and call.

Since it was one of the limpers, you're drawing dead a lot here I think.

I guess it could be KsQx or something.

Mehhh I dunno. Maybe a close call.

But we're redrawing to running 8 9!

giving UTG a range of AJ, AT, JT, TT, KQ, KsTs, Ks9s, Qs9s, 9s8s, 5s4s and MP a range of KQ, 5s4s, 9s8s, TT, Ks9h, Ks9d,Ks9c, AJ, AT, JT you have 60% equity.