New to table. No reads on villian.

Villian limps utg+1. 4 players see flop. I have 83o (bb). Flop is 882 with two diamonds.

I lead for 3. He tanks and flats. Turn is 9 club. I bet 7 into 11 and quickly makes it 34. Hand started with him about 90$ deep at .5/1 (everyone else folded)

Just shove? Is this a pp > an 8

I'm kinda nitty, but OOP against an unknown, I'm c/cing the turn and leading the river for value if he checks the turn behind. We're readless here and unsure how many 8's there are in villain's limping range (87, 98, A8s, Q8o FTW?). 22 is highly unlikely, but it's possible. I also find it hard to believe that if he does TT+, he's calling a shove. As played, it's tough without reads, but this guy looks like he's shoving river, and being that we're in the BB with a range of ATC, it's hard for me to put him on something worse than a range of better 8's, 22, or 99 so I fold.

there is a draw on board and he flatted flop. checking turn is bad.

being first you got problems so maybe you should have checked on 4th then could play the hand cheaply. this way you could actually win money from a worse hand than yours and still get away if outdrawn or beat. many players check trips on the flop so you really dont know if he thinks you dont have them and is raising on that.

So if I c/c turn I c/c all rivers?

You sound sure of yourself, but this is not automatically true. It depends on a few things, one of which is your opponent. Also, the draw on board is not the main reason for us to bet.

That said, I agree that in this case, where our opponent's aggression level is unknown, leading the turn is best; at these stakes, an "unknown" should be assumed to be passive and stationy. Then, when he makes a huge raise into a small pot, he is letting us off very cheaply. He typed in 34, which is larger than potting it. If we could beat some 8s he could hold, this would be a tougher decision. As it stands, I fold this quickly.

Basically, if you are ahead in this hand, it's because your opponent is doing something fairly dumb, and dumb in a way that's out of character for this type of game in general. Dumb would be mistakenly protecting the worst hand (like QQ that he limped) with an unusually large bet, or making a goofy bluff (again, with an unusually large bet size). Otherwise, he has trips+, which has us crushed.

this is awesome. cheers. basically i thought that he would have TT+ more often than 8x. Although after the hand I thought more about it and realised that his line is way more condusive to 8x+ than it is to an overpair. I shoved the turn because of "I have trips, and he raised me" reasoning. He called and tabled A8.

also I didnt mean to sound like a douche with my first response. Ok, so I was chatting to a mate and he said he thinks he has to stack of with T8. Whats the cutoff? I mean if he has an 8 it is 78 or a8 normally.

your hand does not beat anything that is willing to put alot of money in with, so you will lose when you get played with. simple. so you find a way to lose only a little or get to milk a worse hand for a little.

+1 especially after he raises the turn. I would also c/c turn and river here, but if I lead the turn and am raise on that junky a board, u have to fold.

exactly shorn-- but why lead just to hope make a flush draw pay or hope it folds, when you have to fold if raised and you dont get to draw out. so i like to play it weak just like the passive players do and then catch someone milking me with a worse hand. or if they get greedy you can get away from it as then they always have you. all this is based on having not much of a read. against some players you bet as much as you can as they will call thinking you dont have trips but that isnt what we are talking about here.

I completely I agree. I personally wouldn't lead the turn here for the reasons you state, but I was merely pointing out to Hero that if I had played it like him, then it is an auto fold when raised.

Ok guys thanks for all the really responces. I guess basically I fell into the trap of just valuing my hand as "strong" and not comparing it to my opponents range. I really liked cero_z's point that if villian is doing this with something I beat It means he is out of line. I never considered this.

And people say you cant get good advice on 2p2 anymore!