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09-06-2009 , 03:04 PM

jp1444

adept

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 850

just joined tables, no history on villain.

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: $225.50
Hero (UTG+2): $200.00
MP1: $106.00
MP2: $83.40
CO: $200.00
BTN: $200.00
SB: $200.00
BB: $200.00
UTG: $94.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG+2 with A

2 folds, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, CO calls $8, 1 fold, SB calls $7, 1 fold

Flop: ($26.00) 2

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $18, CO raises to $48, SB folds

09-06-2009 , 03:06 PM

AllTheCheese

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 11,898

!!!

Fold pre, insta fold flop. lol you don't even beat JT.

09-06-2009 , 03:36 PM

mrTruli

adept

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 947

Fold if you like your money.

09-06-2009 , 04:22 PM

RiverMustelid

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,424

Even if he raises JT hands and also all nut flush hands, you still would need him to be bluffing about 25% of the time to make the hand break even.

But given its 3 way and the average player doesn't play things so aggressively, you just haven't got enough to commit. Personally I would commit QQ here, but probably not less.

09-06-2009 , 04:34 PM

King Spew

Just average

Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 15,630

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

!!!

Fold pre, insta fold flop. lol you don't even beat JT.

uhhhh, there really isn't very much more needed than this.

OK, I'll add.... nice addition RM

Also, I see a ton of fish that win hands (I'm not in) with TPTK where TP is a flopped 7-T. But the numbers don't support (as noted above) the action. It's just that fish get the impression it is acceptable because they (often, in their minds) win with this hand.

Last edited by King Spew; 09-06-2009 at 04:41 PM.

09-06-2009 , 07:46 PM

UCDLaCrosse

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,903

lol wtf, just fold the flop this horrendous.

your like never ahead even against semi-bluffs they are winning the flip.

09-07-2009 , 06:27 AM

Poker Anomaly

enthusiast

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 77

I call here and make a min bet on the turn and call again if he ships it in.

Look we hit a pair on the flop, its hard to connect with the board and the CO knows that, so we need to start building a pot and need to charge him if he is on a draw. I think he is on a bluff we can make an aggressive call and hope he bluffs more on the river.

09-07-2009 , 07:54 AM

timmy_the_turtle

stranger

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8

Why do people think we're in a bad spot against JT?
We're in a flip IF we let him see two cards and there's ~$120 in the pot already.
And if we're folding TPTK to a reraise here what stops him making this move repeatedly with air?

Not saying i'd like a call myself against an unknown here but its not JT i'd be afraid of.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=6655659
pokenum -h ah 9d - ts jc -- 2c 9c 8h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 9c 2c 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
9d Ah 473 47.78 517 52.22 0 0.00 0.478
Ts Jc 517 52.22 473 47.78 0 0.00 0.522

09-07-2009 , 08:37 AM

Diedel777

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 40

timmy
ok not 10j we''re afraid of, but what would you like him to show when the money gets in? K9? We're like behind 90% of the time

09-07-2009 , 09:54 AM

#10

OMGitsCheddar

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,360

Yeah, it's a snap fold. Funny part is, a lot a regs would snap fold TT/JJ here to a 3bet.

09-07-2009 , 10:06 AM

#11

Diedel777

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by OMGitsCheddar

Yeah, it's a snap fold. Funny part is, a lot a regs would snap fold TT/JJ here to a 3bet.

I do, is it really that bad

09-07-2009 , 01:59 PM

#12

WSOPorBUST

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 562

Quote:

Look we hit a pair on the flop, its hard to connect with the board and the CO knows that

...how is that a hard flop to connect with..?
and i love your "lol TP shiiiiip it" attitude

09-07-2009 , 04:54 PM

#13

Shaffer

veteran

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,556

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmy_the_turtle

And if we're folding TPTK to a reraise here what stops him making this move repeatedly with air?

The fact that we're not a robot and that he will cease to be an unknown for long should he try this is what prevents him from doing this repeatedly. Most players, even heavy multitablers, tend to notice when a player is raising every one of their cbets, and will start playing back at you.

09-07-2009 , 08:27 PM

#14

2OutsNoProb

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 15,991

The times we're winning, he has a boatload of outs.
The times we're losing, we don't.
You're the preflop raiser, and bet the flop into two other players. Villain, who called you in position, doesn't care.
This is a fold.

09-07-2009 , 10:07 PM

#15

Jamos

adept

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 936

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poker Anomaly

Can you pm me your sn and site you play on, stakes etc?

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