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Stars 100NL: AA vs good reg Stars 100NL: AA vs good reg

08-30-2010 , 08:20 AM
Stats villain: 16/13/34 (vpip/pfr/agg), vpip EP = 10, FTCB 52, Bet in position turn = 52.
I was kinda clueless in this hand, is this played okay thus far, and what line on the River?
SB ($107)
BB ($118)
Hero ($100)
UTG+1 ($109)
UTG+2 ($100)
MP1 ($127)
CO ($80)
BTN ($90.25)

Hero is UTG with A A

There was a dead blind, thats why the 4,50

Hero raises to $4.50, UTG+1 calls $4.50, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($11.50) T 6 2

Hero bets $7.65, UTG+1 calls $7.65

TURN ($26.80) T 6 2 9

Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $17.50, Hero calls $17.50

RIVER ($61.80) T 6 2 9 3

Hero ??
08-30-2010 , 08:37 AM
bet/fold. His hand looks alot like JJ.
08-30-2010 , 09:32 AM
b22/f

he's not aggressive enough to turn JJ into a bluff on this river
08-30-2010 , 10:52 AM
i check call cuz good regs always bluff!
08-30-2010 , 10:53 AM
uhhh look at it from villain's perspective. Bet, check/call, bet from a reg on this board is a hand that doesn't beat JJ about never.
08-30-2010 , 11:16 AM
Anyone for barreling on the turn?
And what is about the weakest hand I can c/c on the river?
08-30-2010 , 11:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slugant
Anyone for barreling on the turn?
And what is about the weakest hand I can c/c on the river?
ldo

AA
08-30-2010 , 11:59 AM
I would like to check-raise on the turn.
08-30-2010 , 12:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slugant
TURN ($26.80) T 6 2 9

Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $17.50, Hero calls $17.50
betting turn might be kind of thin, but this line as played really telegraphs "Hero has a hand with decent showdown value but would very much prefer not to play for stacks". I hate myself whenever I send this message.
08-30-2010 , 12:27 PM
this river spot is a lot tougher than it would have been if you would have bet the turn. now his range isn't defined at all and yours is face up. and the last thing you want against a good reg is to turn your range face up. i guess c/c because he can rep 78 and spades so he might turn enough hands into a bluff. i think you're begging to get shoved on if you lead because how can you ever have stronger than 1 pair unless it's exactly 98?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedi Speed Racer
bet/fold. His hand looks alot like JJ.
??

no reason why he can't have any pair down to 6x and up to AA, spades, possibly 78s and T9s

Last edited by hurt; 08-30-2010 at 12:33 PM.
08-30-2010 , 12:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hurt
and the last thing you want against a good reg is to turn your range face up.
In theory, it´s ok if we can level him.
So, if we "know" he thinks we fold too often, we can check and call his bluffs. If we know he thinks that we are scared but will call anyway, he´s not bluffing when he bets etc.
08-30-2010 , 12:41 PM
it's not ok in this spot because he's IP and has a lot more information about our hand than we have about his hand and is therefore going to make a lot of good decisions. it's not a spot where we can level him because he can actually have a number of strong hands so if he can turn hands into bluffs it's a spot where he can have a nicely merged/balanced range and where he can easily shove AA+ and possibly KK, so yeah... in that situation don't really see how you could level him?

can you give an example of how a river would play out where you level him and make a profitable decision? IMO you can't, his range is too wide and fairly strong at the same time. basically he can pretty easily shove for thin value and have a number of bluffs and monsters as well, and in that situation it's kind of unrealistic to go for a check hoping we can outlevel him.
08-30-2010 , 12:46 PM
plus he's a good reg IP on you and he has more information, what could possibly make you think you can outlevel him more than he can outlevel you? it's not really a spot where people go levels deep and have leveling wars too lol so i think it's kind of a dumb discussion.
08-30-2010 , 01:28 PM
Betting the turn is the play here. Why are we c/c'ing the top of our range versus a good reg? If we do this our barreling range is very weak. Why can't villain call again with TP? There's tons of value to get on the turn here and we are missing it by checking.

If we are going to check the turn I think c/r'ing is a better play. This would be a play if we had villain as habitual floater. We then get tons of value from his bluffs and made hands that would have called anyways.

The only reason we c/c here is if we think villain will fire 2 barrels. In which case we check the river as well. This is a reasonable line, but most 100NL players will not fire a 2nd barrel on the river so it's good in theory but bad in practice.

Betting for value is how we win money. Bet for value on the turn unless you have a good reason to do otherwise.
08-30-2010 , 01:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hurt
i think you're begging to get shoved on if you lead because how can you ever have stronger than 1 pair unless it's exactly 98?

While I agree with everything you say, I rarely rarely rarely find 100NL capable of such plays. I check river also, but if I were to bet river I would not be worried about getting shoved on by a worse hand.
08-30-2010 , 01:44 PM
really? i don't play much 100 but it seems like the nut spot to bluffshove and it's not like there aren't good/great/aggressive/spewy players at 100NL. i'll take your word for it though.

but yeah if you're going to get a bet in on the river it makes more sense to c/c on a card on which his bluffing frequency should skyrocket than to bet looking to get called by exclusively JJ-KK, which might fold sometimes anyway.

      
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