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Should I Re-bluff? Should I Re-bluff?

03-20-2010 , 09:27 AM
I do not think opponent has a jack, and his river bet looks like a block to me. Should I bluff-raise the river?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($281.70)
Hero (BB) ($304)
UTG ($283)
UTG+1 ($600.25)
MP1 ($226.95)
MP2 ($194.95)
MP3 ($209.45)
CO ($178.20)
Button ($312.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with ,
7 folds, SB bets $6, Hero raises to $18, SB calls $12

Flop: ($36) , , (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $20, SB calls $20

Turn: ($76) (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($76) (2 players)
SB bets $46, Hero ??
03-20-2010 , 10:01 AM
I think folding or calling are better than 3-betting preflop

when he c/c's the flop he has at least a pair already, and he's probably not folding it.
03-20-2010 , 10:15 AM
If I called preflop, then I would raise the flop?
03-20-2010 , 10:23 AM
I'm usually a big fan of the "call any two pre/raise any flop bet" line from BB vs SB

Only problem here is I don't think you'll get a lot of credit on this texture. You have to think his SB opening range has lots of pairs, broadways, and Ax hands that might get stubborn.

If he's a postflop nit then yeah, but if he's aggro, loose-ish, and not prone to believing people then just give up and fold to the c-bet

I just think 3-betting blows us off the implied odds from when the hand flops well, and we can't stand a 4-bet when he's going to be skeptical of our 3-betting range.
03-20-2010 , 10:53 AM
Any reads on opponent? Unless you want to be 3-betting him a ton because he plays way too nitty vs. 3bets (either folds pre or after the flop far too much), there are better hands to 3bet with. Similarly, there are better hands to flat with that will flop equity pieces or lock hands more often that you can stay aggressive/deal with aggression better with. So I don't like calling preflop either unless he just gives pots away postflop. Folding is likely the best option preflop then.

As played, I also like a fold on the river. Villain is almost never folding an 8 here given that it's bvb, and when you say you don't think he has a J, the only reasonable argument for that is that it's not so easy to have J by card frequencies given that there are two on the board, since he played his hand like a J. A reasonable range for c/c this flop would be 99-TT, 8x (unlikely if he is somewhat tight calling 3bets oop), and Jx, while flush draws usually c/r and get it in. If he's betting I think 99-TT become less likely as villain sometimes goes into bluff catch mode, and they will often not give you credit on this board. Thus he actually should have Jx and sometimes 8x a lot given his line. Fold.
03-20-2010 , 09:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by alex23
Any reads on opponent?
opponent is 25/20 over 24 hands, AggFreq 22
Steal 67, Steal from SB 100, Fold vs 3bet 0%

I think I saw the high steal% and just went for it... a rush hand decision made quickly.
03-20-2010 , 09:52 PM
Well I went for it. It worked. Don't know if it was smart though.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($281.70)
Hero (BB) ($304)
UTG ($283)
UTG+1 ($600.25)
MP1 ($226.95)
MP2 ($194.95)
MP3 ($209.45)
CO ($178.20)
Button ($312.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with ,
7 folds, SB bets $6, Hero raises to $18, SB calls $12

Flop: ($36) , , (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $20, SB calls $20

Turn: ($76) (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($76) (2 players)
SB bets $46, Hero raises to $102, 1 fold

Total pot: $168 | Rake: $3

Results:
Hero didn't show 4, 10 (nothing).
Outcome: Hero won $165
03-20-2010 , 10:51 PM
What are you representing? Anything?
03-21-2010 , 07:30 AM
I would never do this FWIW
03-21-2010 , 01:51 PM
i still cant decide wether i like this or not, probably not without reads
03-21-2010 , 02:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by luka allen
What are you representing? Anything?
We don't necessarily have to be too credibly repping anything, if we have a good reason to think that villain is bluffing.

If you think calling with KT high (to pwn all gutshot floats and counterfeited PPs) here is profitable, then this bluff is probably too. The only problem with KT call is that bad nits (and FR was full of them last time I checked) could bluff with A-high here which obv doesn't make any sense at all.



tbh I'd be really really really tempted to call with T high here. I'm not expecting it to really be +EV but owning counterfeited PPs is my second favorite hobby (2nd only to litting money on fire)

      
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