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A set I'd like to fold, but obv don't! A set I'd like to fold, but obv don't!

08-25-2010 , 06:33 PM
Villain: 12/10, 89cbet, 50 turncbet, 5% 3b, 400 hands, no history.



Poker Stars $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $57.35
BTN: $50.00
Hero (SB): $51.75
BB: $50.00
UTG: $72.75
UTG+1: $55.75
MP: $55.40

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with 5 5
2 folds, MP raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.50) 2 J 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($8.50) A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($8.50) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $5.50, MP raises to $51.40, Hero calls $42.25 all in and also calls his PC a C--- box, or does he?



Pretend it's 100nl.

Villain should bet the turn with JJ 22 AA and 88, AA being most reasonable ck, but god only knows what these clowns think about.

Thanks.
08-25-2010 , 07:03 PM
88 or u win easy call
08-25-2010 , 07:12 PM
kiddy game is down the street.
08-25-2010 , 07:18 PM
88 going for thin value
08-25-2010 , 07:20 PM
^funny cause it's true
08-25-2010 , 07:29 PM
yeah he reps one hand, unfortunately he almost always has it imo.
08-25-2010 , 07:35 PM
88 makes the most sense for sure but i definitely see JJ/AA here a decent amount of the time since they just think oh no the A is too much of a scare card so i should slowplay now, they don't always think about how critical it is to build a pot. so i don't totally agree that it's 88 or we win

but still i'd cry call and hope he has A8 or god knows what, im not able to fold it especially at 50NL. if i'm pretending it's 100NL as requested, i still wouldn't be able to fold it but i'm probably supposed to
08-25-2010 , 07:37 PM
fold pre
08-25-2010 , 10:09 PM
v is 33/13 kind of lag but... over 500
no intentions of hijacking but i think this hand fits in this thread...

IPoker Network $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 10 players
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UTG+2: $67.86
MP1: $53.25
MP2: $12.50
MP3: $16.72
CO: $13.50
Hero (BTN): $102.66
SB: $50.25
BB: $60.62
UTG: $16.66
UTG+1: $92.91

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with 4 4
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $1.75, 4 folds, Hero calls $1.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.25) 9 2 4 (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $3.00, UTG+2 calls $3

Turn: ($10.25) K (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $7.00, UTG+2 raises to $14, Hero calls $7

River: ($38.25) Q (2 players)
UTG+2 bets $38.25, Hero calls $38.25
08-25-2010 , 11:28 PM
not really
08-26-2010 , 12:36 AM
OP, sick fold. i rather lose a bit than to be shocked that he sucked-out 88 or was stupidly slow playing set of J or A. these are the hands that will cost me my whole day due to tilt.

80kg,

jam turn!
08-26-2010 , 01:27 AM
i can def see 88, could be a tard with a slowplayed AA or even JJ
08-26-2010 , 02:44 AM
flop, turn, river- lead into the raiser!!!! if you give free cards, you end up in these sick spots

it is Ax, including AJ, or bluff so often, that I can't imagine a fold;

think about it: the villain almost always cbets, so he often does not really have anything OTF. Then he catches and A and realizes that if he bets turn, you will most likely fold your likely second pair. So he decides to play 'smart' and checks turn. then he sees you go for thin value with your likely second/third pair and wants to get max from his 'smart play'.

if you run into 8s, or likelier AA, so be it. Keep in mind, a call in this spot is super profitable

Last edited by wmermus; 08-26-2010 at 02:52 AM.
08-26-2010 , 02:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wmermus
Keep in mind, a call in this spot is super profitable
yeah that's why everybody so far has recommended folding.
08-26-2010 , 02:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wmermus
flop, turn, river- lead into the raiser!!!! if you give free cards, you end up in these sick spots

it is Ax, including AJ, or bluff so often, that I can't imagine a fold;

think about it: the villain almost always cbets, so he often does not really have anything OTF. Then he catches and A and realizes that if he bets turn, you will most likely fold your likely second pair. So he decides to play 'smart' and checks turn. then he sees you go for thin value with your likely second/third pair and wants to get max from his 'smart play'.

if you run into 8s, or likelier AA, so be it. Keep in mind, a call in this spot is super profitable
this post has to be a level right? ugh, i can't even tell anymore

just in case it's not a level... AA is not likelier than 88 for obvious reasons. more importantly, thinking this 12/10 villain has one pair and is going for thin value from second or third pair goes beyond nonsensically bad poker thinking and borders on actual clinical insanity that should be treated
08-26-2010 , 03:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blankoblanco
this post has to be a level right? ugh, i can't even tell anymore

just in case it's not a level... AA is not likelier than 88 for obvious reasons. more importantly, thinking this 12/10 villain has one pair and is going for thin value from second or third pair goes beyond nonsensically bad poker thinking and borders on actual clinical insanity that should be treated
yeah, yeah, yeah. why noone folds in this spot then?

maybe I was not clear, but I think the villain puts the OP on a second pair going for thin value and wants to get max out of his AJ, AQ, AK

I think AA are likelier than 8s, as 8s so often bet turn. And As check turn. So As fit the line better than 8s. Still, we can't put the villain on a set and should call
08-26-2010 , 03:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wmermus
yeah, yeah, yeah. why noone folds in this spot then?

maybe I was not clear, but I think the villain puts the OP on a second pair going for thin value and wants to get max out of his AJ, AQ, AK

I think AA are likelier than 8s, as 8s so often bet turn. And As check turn. So As fit the line better than 8s. Still, we can't put the villain on a set and should call
villain had 88 and misclick
08-26-2010 , 03:27 AM
misclicked OTT?
08-26-2010 , 03:46 AM
fold pre you're never gonna flop equity OOP

now fold, whenever 50 regs take ******ed-ass lines its always for value unless they can have literally 0 value hands in their range

that makes 0 sense but **** im drinking
08-26-2010 , 05:00 AM
haha villain has 88 near-100% of the time. Other times it's AA.
08-26-2010 , 05:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoSmeets
haha villain has 88 near-100% of the time. Other times it's AA.

how come noone folds in these spots, then? or am i the only one who does not fold a set with no obvious straight/flush on the river?
08-26-2010 , 06:05 AM
i think you have no idea whether or not other people fold these spots, how the hell would you?
08-26-2010 , 06:57 AM
i like mixing in a 3 bet pre too.
08-26-2010 , 06:53 PM
the title of the thread holds true for me
08-26-2010 , 07:19 PM
Fold in theory, call in practice.

      
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