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PF LP steal/raise/value question?

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10-31-2009 , 05:53 AM

KITT 007

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I've been wondering recently what to do in these spots cause folding, calling and/or raising doesn't seem right.

Eg. 66 OTB, folded around to hero. SB & BB have tendancy to 3-bet PF vs LP raise. Stacks are 100 BBs.

Now raising will only attract 3-bets making it hard/impossible for us to call.

Folding 66 OTB folded around seems stupid.

Open limping OTB seems weak.

Advice greatly appreciated.

10-31-2009 , 07:06 AM

Ricky1231

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you should be happy to raise. If people 3 bet you to much then start flatting 3 bets with the correct range, 4 bet bluff a ton and start ****ing slow playing some hands vs them.

10-31-2009 , 07:15 AM

AllTheCheese

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If they mix up call and three-bet, then r/f is fine. If they only three-bet, it seems sort of weird to r/f since in that case your hand becomes the same as any random steal. Depending on the stats, I'll often just 4b/c hands like 66 against them and expect to have decent (like ~35%) EQ against their range.

10-31-2009 , 07:51 AM

Husker

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Anyone reduce their button raise sizes in spots like this?

10-31-2009 , 10:38 AM

AceHigh

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Husker

Anyone reduce their button raise sizes in spots like this?

Yes, I would min/raise here against some players, especially good players who 3bet alot, try and make them play 3bet pots OOP.

10-31-2009 , 12:52 PM

80kilos

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

I'll often just 4b/c hands like 66 against them

this is one of the worst hands to do this just IMHO

10-31-2009 , 01:06 PM

AllTheCheese

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 80kilos

this is one of the worst hands to do this just IMHO

You would think, but it's actually one of the best. Go fool around w/ some pokerstove ranges. No other bluff has as much equity against his likely stackoff range (TT-AA, AQs, AK, misc 5b bluffs).

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