I'm not too sure about how to go about figuring the exact cost of bathroom breaks. Here's my current setup : I play 24 fast tables and I drink a lot of water/gatorade to stay hydrated during my session. Over 6k hands sessions, I usually go to the bathroom about 4 times. Each time, I sit out next hand on all tables and when i'm sitting out on all my tables, I get up and come back (which takes about 30 seconds).

I used to laugh at the idea of a pee bottle, but now i'm starting to think : how much am I really costing myself? More importantly, how do you figure out the actual EV cost of missing hands?

Pee bottles for pro, bathroom for noobs

that simple


get some ****ing bottles and hand sanitizer and your good to go

I don't know if this makes me gross...but why are some people so obsessed with washing their hands after peeing? Its a bit of skin, its not ****ing radioactive.

I mean i wash my hands if i get pee on them but even then, piss is one of the cleanest things in the world IIRC because the kidneys own right?

Not gonna argue with that, but for argument's sake, is there a way to figure out the actual EV?

Eight years ago, most people didn't know the odds of a QQ vs. AK flip. Today, people are actually calculating "piss equity." The times, they are a-changin'.

its costing you a lot of money, just pee in a bottle its fine

It's actually a very good question, and something that I've thought about too.

Here's a rough calculation, along with some assumptions.

Assuming it takes 30 secs to go to the bathroom, and 30 secs between clicking "sit out next hand on all tables" and all current hands ending. That's one minute missed, or 20 hands missed (@1200 hands/hour.)

20 hands = 2.5 orbits (assuming average of 8 players per table.)

When can define a "missed" hand as being one that has been "payed for" (i.e. the blinds were paid at the start of the orbit.)

(Some of the "missed" hands will be when you were about to post the big blind, so you don't actually miss a paid hand, but you do miss an orbit's worth of play which has some non-zero value if you're a winning player. Other hands will be when you were about to post the small blind, which is more costly to miss though.)

Total cost: 2.5 orbits * 1.5 big blinds = 3.75 big blinds.

So, if you play 4 hours a day of $1/2, that's an average daily pee cost of $30. $1k a month pissed away. $12k a year.

Obviously, you can choose to click "Sit out next big blind on all tablea" rather than "sit out next hand" but that can be more expensive for anyone with a decent hourly win rate, as it can take several minutes.

For serious grinders the best solution is probably to just "sit out next big blind on all tables" once every couple of hours, take a 5-7 minute break, and have a piss then.

I actually mentioned to my missus a couple of days ago that I wanted to have a catheter fitted for my birthday. Half-joking.

I mean I have a hard time playing well for long sessions anyway gotta take a break every few hours so I just piss during those breaks.

rom winning

2 words:

That's insane, strongly considering a bottle now. Also, not gonna lie, I laughed at piss equity, lol

Next thing you know you'll be ****ting in a bucket.

Only if you start playing for 24+ hrs straight.

I can't tell if ROM is leveling (likely) or not, or maybe I'm misunderstanding the implication behind "sitting out" during a piss break, but it appears that we're merely missing 20 hands. We can just assume an even winrate distribution since the hands are positionally random, so the total cost is just 20 hands of your winrate. If you're a 3 PTBB winner who plays 300 days a year and takes two piss breaks a day:

And, of course, that's like the worst-case scenario ever, as you're rarely going to miss two hands on one table, yet you'll often get back in time to not miss any hands on several tables.

lol "piss equity" has to be the best concept ever ahahahah

+1

lol. It wasn't a level.

The reason why you can't calculate like you have is because it's not positionally random which hands are missed. ALL of the hands that are missed are non-blind hands.

Here is a look at my BB/100 by position for this month:



(Everyone is going to have similar stats, insofar as the SB and BB will show massive negative rates, whereas all other positions will be far, far higher than the average BB/100.)

So, I would miss 20 random "non-blind" hands, i.e. 20 hands whose average winrate is ~20BB/100.

20 hands @ 20BB/100 (of $1/2) = $8 per piss. (Similar to my $7.50 figure from the last post which used a completely different type of calculation.)

However, pissing is not -EV for majority of players - those losing ones. Peeing can be a nice and cheap attraction for them. Take a long and enjoyable piss!

Okay, I see what you're saying. You would dodge the BB, but wouldn't you still catch the SB? If you post the BB, play the hand, sit out, then return, don't you miss your BTN and post SB from the CO (or wait for BB to come around)? But yeah, I see what you're saying about it not being truly random since you never "miss" the BB, which is the biggest losing position.

Basically, we should all just piss in bottles.

lmao

oh and en-suite ftw, just gotta make sure I'm done in like 15s before I start timing out everywhere lol

No. It's still -EV for them for reasons I explained in my last post. (Unless they are losing from non-blind positions.)

It would however be +EV for them to go for a big shlt for a couple of hours or so.

+1

I think you all should man up and piss in a bottle then machida it. You need to keep all those vitamin and minerals for long sessions.

You mean this isnt standard?

pretty soon eatings gonna be neg ev also im guessin