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05-31-2010 , 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerbiker
do you muck, or 4bet?
seems like you're missing an option which is also my preferred course of action.
05-31-2010 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by jessyj
seems like you're missing an option which is also my preferred course of action.
hm, i somehow removed calling 3B OOP from my game. i sometimes call with QQ/JJ, but also there i prefer doing it IP.

but would it make sense? i'd say the normal 3b range is KK+ AK, so i will either not get any value as there are overcards, we are splitting, or i am up against a set.
05-31-2010 , 07:37 AM
GFH$%#^$)%TKDFGOQ#$)$T

To the guys who were talking about running bad, just quit now because IT NEVER EVER ENDS. You might think that 1.6 million hands is kind of a lot and that surely, your $$ would be really close to your AIEV. NOT EVEN ****ING CLOSE.










GOD****INGDAMMIT
05-31-2010 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by TwoSmeets
GFH$%#^$)%TKDFGOQ#$)$T

To the guys who were talking about running bad, just quit now because IT NEVER EVER ENDS. You might think that 1.6 million hands is kind of a lot and that surely, your $$ would be really close to your AIEV. NOT EVEN ****ING CLOSE.

GOD****INGDAMMIT
How many BI below EV?
05-31-2010 , 07:52 AM
150 and counting

PS I know there are people who've run worse and in less hands. My heart goes out to them.
05-31-2010 , 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TwoSmeets
150 and counting

PS I know there are people who've run worse and in less hands. My heart goes out to them.
Holy crap!
05-31-2010 , 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerbiker
but would it make sense? i'd say the normal 3b range is KK+ AK
if that's the normal range why do you fret about 4 betting, calling, or folding? folding is the right thing to do against that range.
05-31-2010 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by TwoSmeets
150 and counting

PS I know there are people who've run worse and in less hands. My heart goes out to them.
worse than 150bi below ev???
holy crap
05-31-2010 , 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jessyj
if that's the normal range why do you fret about 4 betting, calling, or folding? folding is the right thing to do against that range.
i was asking because it seem is just did it wrong; i 4bet ak, got it in, and was always an underdog.

so, that was just some kind of confirmation that mucking AK to a 3B from "unknown" is some kind of SOP.
05-31-2010 , 08:28 AM
PB, folding has be as least ok in the situation you described.
05-31-2010 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Bren
PB, folding has be as least ok in the situation you described.
i was putting it in here, because i had this "stacking of range" of "AK+ KK+" in my head. but when i look in my database, its like 90% AA/KK and 10% AK. that is so way appart from what it "should be" in terms of combinatorics.

i "learned", i should call a shove after 4betting AK, because with AK i have 40% equity vs the range AK+ KK+, that makes it profitable. but when i now change this to like 2-4 combinations of AK and all combinations of KK+/AA+, my equity just goes way down.

so it seems i need to dramatically reduce AK from a shoving range, at least that is what my database showed.
05-31-2010 , 09:22 AM
So as I mentionend I'm dealing with a DS right now myself but I feel like I have to say one thing about all this "I run so much below EV, it's so sick..."talk:

checking whether you are above or below EV is just ******ed. I never ever look at that and I don't care about it. Now matter whether you run above or below EV how the **** is that going to suppose to help you? Not to mention that EV is not telling the real story anyway...
Think about that:
- say you made $500 but EV tells you should have lost $100, do you feel good now? No because you realize you prob didn't play too well so you start thinking that you're a luckbox and that you suck at the game so it makes you feel bad.
- now, say lost $200 but EV tells you should have made $400, do you feel good now? It might help you realize that you played ok but then you're prob like: omg I do play well, why do I run so bad, I deserve to win, ****ing doomswitch, poker gods hate me, yada yada. Does that help you? Of course not, instead it will put you in a negative mindset and next you time play a session you're going to expect to see bad beats, prob even start playing worse than usually and the circle will start again.

so, **** EV and just don't care about it, never good to waste energy on stuff you can't change anyway...
05-31-2010 , 09:39 AM
60bi below ev this year

up in life because i have itunes visualixer
05-31-2010 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexB182
So as I mentionend I'm dealing with a DS right now myself but I feel like I have to say one thing about all this "I run so much below EV, it's so sick..."talk:

checking whether you are above or below EV is just ******ed. I never ever look at that and I don't care about it. Now matter whether you run above or below EV how the **** is that going to suppose to help you? Not to mention that EV is not telling the real story anyway...
Think about that:
- say you made $500 but EV tells you should have lost $100, do you feel good now? No because you realize you prob didn't play too well so you start thinking that you're a luckbox and that you suck at the game so it makes you feel bad.
- now, say lost $200 but EV tells you should have made $400, do you feel good now? It might help you realize that you played ok but then you're prob like: omg I do play well, why do I run so bad, I deserve to win, ****ing doomswitch, poker gods hate me, yada yada. Does that help you? Of course not, instead it will put you in a negative mindset and next you time play a session you're going to expect to see bad beats, prob even start playing worse than usually and the circle will start again.

so, **** EV and just don't care about it, never good to waste energy on stuff you can't change anyway...
This is wise.
05-31-2010 , 09:58 AM
yeah but if not for EV telling me that I don't actually suck, I probably would have quit poker a while ago
05-31-2010 , 10:02 AM
For those of you who regularly play in private games, the following clips is definitely worth the few minutes of your time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zx90...eature=related

The shiner is one cool device.
05-31-2010 , 10:29 AM
Hey so what will be the deal with echecks tomorrow with UIGEA? Seems like if echeck deposits remain then games should be ok and the fallout won't be so bad, but if echeck deposits are lost, well.....
05-31-2010 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by TwoSmeets
yeah but if not for EV telling me that I don't actually suck, I probably would have quit poker a while ago
Thing is there's way more thorough methods of figuring this out that would actually further benefit your game if practiced.
05-31-2010 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by LukeChadwick
For those of you who regularly play in private games, the following clips is definitely worth the few minutes of your time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zx90...eature=related

The shiner is one cool device.
also interesting

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...-games-776285/
05-31-2010 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Bren
Thing is there's way more thorough methods of figuring this out that would actually further benefit your game if practiced.
care to elaborate?
05-31-2010 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by TwoSmeets
care to elaborate?
Sorry I was a bit offhand.

I've been thinking a fair bit about this stuff recently and basically come to the same conclusions that AlexB posted above.

I was thinking about the various ways in which the EV figure could be inaccurate or inconsequential to how well/poorly I was playing.

Then I started thinking about g-bucks etc, which every time I think about makes me hang my head about how little I use stove etc, and don't review hands.

What struck me the most was that it didn't really matter whether I sucked or not since I had no plans to quit playing. What was important to me was how I sucked, and how I was going to fix it. And if I'm actively plugging leaks, I'm not the same player as yesterday anyways.

So I guess what I'm saying is the better we work, the more accurately we can rate our own play. As well as that we decrease the importance/relevance of previous poor results.

I'm kinda dumb at this stuff so apologies if that makes no sense, just my random ideas on the subject.
05-31-2010 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by alex23
Hey guys I'm thinking of selling action for the Sunday majors in the marketplace, and am wondering if anyone knows how to figure out what kind of markups to charge, if any. Fwiw I'm running about 2ptbb/100 at 100nl fr over several hundred thousand hands and ever so slightly lower at 200nl (both fr and 6m) over <100k hands on ptr, have basically no opr to speak of and decent sharkscope but only about 1200 games average stake about $7 and roi about 10%. Any ideas?
10% minimum and you'd probably sell out at 15%. But seriously saving you now don't do it when you play donkaments your soul will dieeeeeeee. Just trying to save people from making the same mistakes I have
05-31-2010 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by zachvac
10% minimum and you'd probably sell out at 15%. But seriously saving you now don't do it when you play donkaments your soul will dieeeeeeee. Just trying to save people from making the same mistakes I have
Is it that bad a feeling to ship money over when you have a decent score? Better to just play lower?
05-31-2010 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by alex23
Hey so what will be the deal with echecks tomorrow with UIGEA? Seems like if echeck deposits remain then games should be ok and the fallout won't be so bad, but if echeck deposits are lost, well.....
the status quo isn't really changing tomorrow. As zachvac said in this thread (or maybe ftp regs thread not sure) the regs have been in place for a while and tomorrow isn't magically going to make things instantly more difficult.
05-31-2010 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by alex23
Is it that bad a feeling to ship money over when you have a decent score? Better to just play lower?
Not that I'd know what a decent score felt like but I usually play with my own money in online tourneys. Can't imagine it'd feel that bad just think of it if you sell 50% of a $200 tourney you're not playing a $200 tourney you're playing a $100 tourney.

      
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