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01-02-2012 , 06:09 AM

#176

PAROOVKA

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 405

All the best to you, guys, in 2012, and a lot of poker successes for the ones who deserve it

Hopefully the thing with Stars will finish soon and we'll be happy with the outcome and can continue playing.

GL IN THE NEW YEAR!

01-02-2012 , 06:13 AM

#177

ment52

veteran

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,092

20 075 hands so far for me, 14 056vpp in HM, 12 983 stars.

01-02-2012 , 06:18 AM

#178

1nsight

adept

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 821

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROM Amnesty

I can tell you're a little confused, and haven't understood it properly. (Besides, WC Rake already takes from the rich to give to the poor.) You're probably not aware of the implications relating to milestone targets/store prices either. Believe me, it's a bad solution for everyone.

This is why u used the 20% reduction in vpp value in your example right? 20% since most regs seem to be earning 20% less vpps now... I got a little confused at first when u said it wouldnt just be lower rake but lower vpp value too but then i realized vpp value will effectively increase/decrease based on how much more/less u earn now. which means for most regs that are earning fewer vpps itll take longer to get milestones (basically like costing more since more hands are required to get them)

01-02-2012 , 06:21 AM

#179

Jah Onion

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 10,955

how about ppl post their vip/pfrs with that?

rosh: 11/9 -> 26% decrease
ment: ?/? -> 9% decrease

01-02-2012 , 06:23 AM

#180

hurt

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 7,142

where is the january pace bonus? will it only be available when the month has ended?

01-02-2012 , 06:25 AM

#181

Perfection

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Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,349

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROM Amnesty

Sure, just post a patronising comment instead.

Even if you're wrong, at least you look cool.

01-02-2012 , 06:29 AM

#182

aljufo

journeyman

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 365

hem 1955 vpps, stars 1776, vpip/pfr 18/15

01-02-2012 , 06:36 AM

#183

ROM Amnesty

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,664

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfection

Sure, just post a patronising comment instead.

Even if you're wrong, at least you look cool.

lol. Sorry that it was patronising. (Seriously.)

01-02-2012 , 06:51 AM

#184

ROM Amnesty

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,664

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1nsight

Yes, that's why the 20% reduction in VPP value was used.

Sorry if my examples were confusing. I'll take another look at them.

However, the main point still holds regardless, about the milestones/store item prices. They would need to be reduced if rake back %age was used as a solution. This of course would be extremely impractical- hence why reducing the rake back %age is not the ideal or simple solution.

Last edited by ROM Amnesty; 01-02-2012 at 07:18 AM.

01-02-2012 , 07:10 AM

#185

Xela

veteran

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,163

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly

who else is restricted to one table?
wrote two mails to support, no answer yet.

I am actually so angry about this. They took 10min to ban me but it takes them 1 day to even tell me what they plan to do? I was going to accept their changes and continue playing on Stars. But now I have no other choice but to try some other poker site. Well played Stars.

01-02-2012 , 07:11 AM

#186

fieldyb

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,293

Anybody knows if PT3 can show VPPs?

01-02-2012 , 07:20 AM

#187

Ugly

centurion

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 169

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xela

I have much time to grind this week (holiday) and don't want to wait longer, but I have no idea where to go.
Would like to set up an account on a site where holdem-manager works, some full ring traffic and the oppurtunity of a good rakeback-deal.
Someone has a tip for me?
Or where can i post to get some offers?

01-02-2012 , 07:23 AM

#188

NatisFinest

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,707

Tourneys get 5.5vpp per $1 rake paid correct? tryin to see how i stand w/ changes

01-02-2012 , 07:37 AM

#189

x_ROSH125_x

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 6,071

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly

Also interested in where I can get a good rakeback deal if anyone knows

Spent a little time lookin at William Hill yest. Bonuses look quite good but they are part of the iPoker network and I hav heard bad things about the bots + SS on there

Need to work out how easy it is to get these and how much traffic is flowin

They are 2nd to Stars in traffic now?

01-02-2012 , 07:57 AM

#190

e306

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,815

Why does everyone hate bots? You will probably crush every single bot out there.

01-02-2012 , 08:00 AM

#191

NatisFinest

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,707

After 13k hands I have 7.2k vpp from ring and 7.1k from hem,

01-02-2012 , 08:15 AM

#192

Ugly

centurion

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 169

Quote:

Originally Posted by e306

Why does everyone hate bots? You will probably crush every single bot out there.

not sure about crushing them:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/56...26/index3.html

"According to PTR 62 bot accounts played 1795116 hands winning at an average of 1,81 ptbb for a net of USD 755549"

01-02-2012 , 08:20 AM

#193

Slugant

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 7,338

thats was on ipoker on 10nl or something?
i want to see the first bot to crush 200nl, i suspect redacesf

01-02-2012 , 08:28 AM

#194

Ugly

centurion

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 169

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slugant

thats was on ipoker on 10nl or something?
i want to see the first bot to crush 200nl, i suspect redacesf

"as you probably know a lot of bots were found in the midstakes sixmax cashgames on Ipoker as well as the Ongame-Network. Further investigations have shown what was pretty much an open secret:
These same bots also play on Party Poker"

01-02-2012 , 09:06 AM

#195

pontylad

banned

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,749

why are people so dumb about bots.

go read the internet forum and educate yourselves people. Bots are sophisticated and been beating up to $2knl on party/ipoker/ongame and taken well over 7 figures in profit.

01-02-2012 , 10:19 AM

#196

geo8o2

old hand

Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,449

how r u guys figuring out the vpps before after and filtering out the happy hour vpps

01-02-2012 , 10:26 AM

#197

Jah Onion

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 10,955

literally my first hand of the year. vs an argentinian <3
bring on 2012 baby

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em $0.20 Ante - 7 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $406.85
SB: $104.35
Hero (BB): $100.00
UTG: $253.70
UTG+1: $100.00
MP: $111.75
CO: $112.25

Pre Flop: ($2.90) Hero is BB with T

4 folds, BTN raises to $3.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $12.50, BTN calls $9

Flop: ($26.90) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $15, BTN raises to $53.35, Hero raises to $87.30 all in, BTN calls $33.95

Turn: ($201.50) Q

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($201.50) T

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $201.50
BTN shows 9

(two pair, Nines and Eights)
Hero shows T

(three of a kind, Tens)
Hero wins $198.50
(Rake: $3.00)

01-02-2012 , 10:27 AM

#198

Slugant

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 7,338

spewy luckbox

01-02-2012 , 10:42 AM

#199

Ugly

centurion

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 169

Quote:

Originally Posted by geo8o2

how r u guys figuring out the vpps before after and filtering out the happy hour vpps

1-tabling fyi

01-02-2012 , 11:05 AM

#200

NL__Fool

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,602

FWIW...

Yesterday I played 10k hands and had a overall reduction of VPP's by 4%.
Today I've logged 5k hands and had a reduction of 21%.

Have a feeling VPP's will fluctuate wildly or yesterday wasn't typical because of how many fish there were.

Yesterday 19/15/4 Today 17/15/4

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