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11-14-2012 , 01:18 PM

#10226

tobe4funas

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 5,661

Quote:

Originally Posted by d_smith77

i REALLY hate the army of fake table starters at 100. i know an argument can be made for their value, blah blah blah.... **** em

+1
same at 200 though

11-14-2012 , 01:35 PM

#10227

dizeerascal

journeyman

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 246

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=16709

good new re: table-starters ?

11-14-2012 , 02:12 PM

#10228

Mexican_Natis

adept

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 987

I really like the table starting idea and think it's a great direction Stars is going in. I emailed support asking about this because I'm not sure on the details, but a huge problem with this that I see is that after a short period Russia is going to realize this 'Table Starter' device can be used as a portal that allows them to rathole a whole lot better. Russia has nearly destroyed the cash games on Stars and has already murdered the whole point of a waitlist, I'm just hoping Vladimir n' company don't destroy the potential of this 'Table Starter' thing as well b/c I think it could be great for the games.

11-14-2012 , 04:16 PM

#10229

MeleaB

See my Commercial Software thread

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 5,412

If any of you SNE grinders want to eliminate variance for the year, then here's a service that will do it for you, for the small price of just over $20,000 a year! (Don't worry if you only play a few thousand hands a month though, NL200 players can pay just $6 for every full-stacked all-in to ensure they run at EV!)

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...hread-1266698/

I've been laying into them about how much a rip-off their service is. Unfortunately there's probably a lot of people naive enough to pay such high fees.

11-14-2012 , 04:27 PM

#10230

TonnaMunz

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,759

Is it just me or does the table starters beta sound horrible?

Last edited by TonnaMunz; 11-14-2012 at 04:28 PM. Reason: I would like Tim Stones opinion on teh matter :D

11-14-2012 , 04:34 PM

#10231

MeleaB

See my Commercial Software thread

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 5,412

I know not everyone likes Zoom, but being able to start games short-handed should be beneficial to getting the player pools going. Unfortunately though, it may be a little late as the FR pools are much drier than they used to be.

11-14-2012 , 04:47 PM

#10232

MaskedManQc

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 620

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeleaB

Yes, this is sad that the player pool is getting that dry.
Also, Zoom would be a solution to ratholing and bumhunting and a few other issues. Adjust min BI levels (I mean 50bb is not that bad) and it starts getting interesting.

11-14-2012 , 05:36 PM

#10233

RKi

banned

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,141

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonnaMunz

Is it just me or does the table starters beta sound horrible?

Sounds to me like i wont be able to jesus seat fish anymore + Russians can rathole even more....Great.

11-14-2012 , 05:48 PM

#10234

pontylad

banned

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,754

rki i'm trying to talk to u on skype about ur sister!!!

11-14-2012 , 05:50 PM

#10235

RKi

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,141

eh?

11-14-2012 , 05:59 PM

#10236

d_smith77

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I don't know how I feel about the Table Starter thing.

11-14-2012 , 06:07 PM

#10237

pontylad

banned

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,754

Quote:

Originally Posted by d_smith77

I don't know how I feel about the Table Starter thing.

Yeah i agree.... i actually think that in the long run it could even punish table starters (as freaky as that sounds, but i may just be misinterpreting it). Tbh the whole table starting thing could be improved in a much simpler and effective way imo. This is what i've suggested to some people.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pontylad

I actually don't think the new table starting system is necessary to sole the problem in the lobby, If stars could create the software to actively identify grimmers then the problem could easily be solved by removing the ability to "not post bb" and punishing people for grimming (such as with short term bans). It eliminates the problem of grimmers but also fake table starters. Regs could just keep sitting the fake table starters and they'd be either forced to play, forced to fold and sit out or grim and get punished. The lobby would be a lot cleaner also.

I dunno, just my take on it. add in to the mix a v small increase in vpps for table starting and i think you have a a decent mixture of carrot and stick.

11-14-2012 , 06:41 PM

#10238

Mexican_Natis

adept

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 987

Here's my 3 cents...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mexican_Natis

About the table starter

My first reaction was...

Might as well put a button in the lobby that says - "CLICK HERE FOR A FRESH NEW 40BB STACK!!!"

Second was this...

No way Pokerstars would implement something like this if they didn't expect the game conditions in the near future to allow Table Starter to run smoothly, and with the current state of the games Table Starter would be a disaster (and I am positive Stars knows this). This leads me to believe Pokerstars is planning to make some drastic changes to ring games pretty soon. (one result of these near future changes would allow Table Starter to run smoothly and promote better games after the beta testing is complete)

I'd say just wait a few more months to see what other sort of changes are made before saying it's going to be bad, yea if nothing else is done it is going to be a disaster for the games, but Table Starter plus a few other key changes could be amazing.

11-14-2012 , 07:59 PM

#10239

bigacsiga

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pontylad

Tbh the whole table starting thing could be improved in a much simpler and effective way imo.

yeah, stars should start selling a pair of balls in VIP store

11-14-2012 , 08:43 PM

#10240

danuuutz

adept

Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 870

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeleaB

What about RIT? That was supposed to work a month ago. And would also have reduced variance and would have been free to use. I don't understand why it is not working.

11-14-2012 , 09:22 PM

#10241

isunkurbttlship

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dizeerascal

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=16709

good new re: table-starters ?

danuuutz, in this post stars explains that they are slowly rolling out RIT

11-14-2012 , 09:58 PM

#10242

TimStone

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mexican_Natis

Here's my 3 cents...

I'd say just wait a few more months to see what other sort of changes are made before saying it's going to be bad, yea if nothing else is done it is going to be a disaster for the games, but Table Starter plus a few other key changes could be amazing.

it's quite obv imo that prolly with the start of next year 40BB play will no longer be available in teh current form...

11-14-2012 , 10:27 PM

#10243

MeleaB

See my Commercial Software thread

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 5,412

Quote:

Originally Posted by danuuutz

What about RIT? That was supposed to work a month ago. And would also have reduced variance and would have been free to use. I don't understand why it is not working.

"Run it Twice Rollout

We are gradually expanding the number of Run It Twice-enabled tables. Things are going OK so far, and we might look to expand more in the near future. It is very unlikely that Run It Twice will be deployed to ZOOM before the December client update, due to necessary technical changes. We understand your impatience to have the feature enabled on more tables, but we have to make sure everything is running smoothly first."

11-14-2012 , 11:30 PM

#10244

Omrell

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TonnaMunz

Is it just me or does the table starters beta sound horrible?

I dont like the idea

11-14-2012 , 11:36 PM

#10245

pontylad

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Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,754

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omrell

I dont like the idea

no offence but it doesn't surprise me. I dislike it but for other reasons.

Last edited by pontylad; 11-14-2012 at 11:49 PM.

11-14-2012 , 11:41 PM

#10246

d_smith77

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no ****. speaking of the army of fake table starters, what up O

11-14-2012 , 11:46 PM

#10247

ishipkq

old hand

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,479

"40bb stack" and "pro" in the same sentence makes me laugh

11-14-2012 , 11:48 PM

#10248

ishipkq

old hand

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,479

i do like the idea tbh, but it's gonna be a pain in the ass for 400+, considering how terrible the reg:fish ratio is

11-14-2012 , 11:51 PM

#10249

pontylad

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Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,754

haha i re-edited my post again

There are def ways to sort the lobby out that don't involve complex solutions.

11-15-2012 , 02:09 AM

#10250

Mexican_Natis

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 987

I don't think the 'Table Starter' is intended by Pokerstars to really be a way to sort out the lobby (although I think it will eventually help). I think it's really just supposed to be a way to attract rec players to the games and seems like it could do a lot of good in doing this. I can see rec players really liking this because for once they can sit at a table without the fear of having to play hu or wait on a 20 person waitlist. I'm sure over the next several weeks Pokerstars will release more improvements and changes that will directly improve/fix the waitlist problem, grimming, ratholing, etc..

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