im a bit out of touch with the games, and i never really bothered looking at fpps/vpps and rates and stuff, but i think given that SNE is way harder to get now at our game type/steaks, it'd be nice if stars implemented another vip level at like 500k

This actually seems like a really good idea. This with a rake decrease would be a decent result.

I don't see how. It's just an arbitary classification; break-even (+ $x in bonuses) or slight winner ($y) + bonuseses ($x-$y)

Although technically it would now be: slight winner ($y) + bonuseses ($x-$y-$Stars' extra piece of the pie)

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1. Reduce Rake
2. Increase VPP/$1 cash-game rake

I agree with this 100%.


Sounds like a good idea but I am pretty sure Stars will not change their VIP system after the year has started.

Can't get why you ppl hate happy hours. It's better than nothing anyway.

What can you teach me you fish

PokerStars Hand #73672089414: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2 USD) - 2012/01/11 12:49:23 ET
Table 'Newtonia VI' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: lydia12345 ($204.40 in chips)
Seat 2: R1aki ($218.40 in chips)
Seat 3: SGrifon ($80 in chips)
Seat 4: mobiland123 ($135.25 in chips)
Seat 6: jrockhaf ($200 in chips)
Seat 8: ramzes1968 ($184.90 in chips)
Seat 9: vanilica ($211 in chips)
R1aki: posts small blind $1
SGrifon: posts big blind $2
milenadrea: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to R1aki [6c 6d]
mobiland123: calls $2
jrockhaf: folds
ramzes1968: folds
vanilica: raises $6 to $8
lydia12345: calls $8
R1aki: calls $7
SGrifon: folds
mobiland123: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [6h Jh Ac]
R1aki: checks
mobiland123: bets $10
vanilica: folds
lydia12345: calls $10
R1aki: raises $28 to $38
mobiland123: calls $28
lydia12345: folds
*** TURN *** [6h Jh Ac] [Ah]
R1aki: bets $89.25
mobiland123: calls $89.25 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [6h Jh Ac Ah] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
R1aki: shows [6c 6d] (a full house, Sixes full of Aces)
mobiland123: shows [Js Qh] (a full house, Jacks full of Aces)
mobiland123 collected $295.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $298.50 | Rake $3
Board [6h Jh Ac Ah Jd]
Seat 1: lydia12345 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: R1aki (small blind) showed [6c 6d] and lost with a full house, Sixes full of Aces
Seat 3: SGrifon (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: mobiland123 showed [Js Qh] and won ($295.50) with a full house, Jacks full of Aces
Seat 6: jrockhaf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ramzes1968 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: vanilica folded on the Flop





Converter wouldnt work, prob cos i ru nso ****ing bad

no one folds a flush draw

I think villain's flop play is solid.

ez game

he obv thought you were reping a set and didnt really have a set. good play that worked out.

Theoretically the reason PS changed to WC was to create a fair (or more fair) system. It means they wont give more vpps at the cash tables (your $1 rake worths 7 vpps, but an sng players $1 rake worths 5,5 vpps; why?).

i was merely addressing u saying that stars changing vpp multipliers would affect games other than cash like mtt/sng players. they could make it 10vpps per $1, or remove the vip system altogether for cash players and it would still have no affect on mtt/sng rakeback


as to fairness i dont know? why is there a difference in vpps handed out between 6max and full ring? ask stars that one

Please don't ask. I'm afraid they will increase the 6max-multiplier and we fullring-guys will get nothing - not even the rake-reduction that has been suggested by them in the first place.

To anyone that was interested in my coaching today i have just left a review in Coopah's thread in Poker goals & challenges.

nice to hear he is working out for ya
did he coach you on a 6max or FR game mike?

I played 6 tables of 6-max for the first hour while he was writing notes, second hour went over leaks & ways to improve It all seemed like solid advice with good reasoning but i won't know for sure till I've put some volume in as to the effect it will have on my game. I'll report back end of the month

please tell me you didnt pay the time for him to watch you play and take notes?
i mean ill pay for plugging leaks, but not to watch me play knowadimsayn.

lookin forward to the report, gl

How is he gonna be able to plug your leaks if he doesn't watch you play? Otherwise it's just a HEM review right?

Thanks

ok, ill pay if you improve

but still if you go to a mechanic for a brake job the inspection is free if you get the work done

Liking your analogy, though now i think i should have bartered in a half price first hour :S

think this idea needs a bit more love. anything to encourage recreational players to the cash tables is good, and this would potentially work for a long-term goal

Defo needs more love, sounds like a sick idea

867 big blind pot. eqyinoon is the philanthropist.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($122)
BB ($110)
UTG ($197)
UTG+1 ($100)
UTG+2 ($115)
Hero ($402)
MP2 ($175)
CO ($1,022)
BTN ($118)

SB antes $0.20
BB antes $0.20
UTG antes $0.20
UTG+1 antes $0.20
UTG+2 antes $0.20
Hero antes $0.20
MP2 antes $0.20
CO antes $0.20
BTN antes $0.20

Dealt to Hero A A

UTG raises to $3, fold, fold, Hero calls $3, fold, CO raises to $14.40, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $11.40, Hero raises to $60, CO calls $45.60, UTG calls $45.60

FLOP ($183) 9 A 4

UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks

TURN ($183) 9 A 4 2

UTG checks, Hero bets $65, CO raises to $130, UTG folds, Hero calls $65

RIVER ($443) 9 A 4 2 4

Hero checks, CO bets $290, Hero calls $212 (AI)

Hero shows A A
(Pre 82%, Flop 95.7%, Turn 100.0%)

CO shows 8 Q
(Pre 18%, Flop 4.3%, Turn 0.0%)

Hero wins $864