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ah ok cool, just wondered.

Hi guys, the panel of players going to meet with Stars is finalized now, and the meetings will take place between Jan 23 - 25th.

I'd like to hear from you about how the current changes affect you, and what Stars can do to help. Feel free to PM your feelings, or let me know how we can get together to chat about things.

I know not everyone is going to be happy, but I'd like to represent as many points of view as I can.

Please tell stars I am upset at the fact that I can no longer play from the US

1. I think its obvious PS wont return to the dealt system.

2. The difference between WTA and WC is negligible so I dont see the point introducing WTA.

3. We dont really have many options. PS may increase the vpp->fpp multiplier (6->6,5/7) or the vip level multiplier (3,5->4). The other way is the rake reduction (5->4,5).

4. I cant find a way to compensate ppl who cant reach SNE because of the new system. But I think they are a minority here, so its not your main goal to solve their problem.

5. Id suggest the rake reduction + permanent $300/25k vpp/month bonus. I think its a fair compensation for the non-SNE grinders.

some want to make it WTA?? hahahaha some people going to get like 5 percent rakeback if you do that


vinniepooh might not make any rakeback with that potential change

I'd love WTA (I think. In before jah correctly tells me I'd hate it )

try to get stars to look at their figures for happy hours... so many more ppl log in just to play those hours it might even be +ev for them

rake reduction is the main priority imo, lets turn some b/e people into winners!!

i doubt stars would do a significant rake reduction AND increase vpp/fpps multipliers so im in the rake reduction camp...

they should also work out if they even really lose money when offering bonuses.... i mean theres a huge spike in ppl online when bonuses come out... im sure theres more hands played than normal. they could even have short time periods to clear the bonuses this would make games awesome =D

lastly i realize the vip system is tiered for a reason... but theres no reg thats gonna be bronze/silver for long. come out with some kind of way to give money to the fish directly like bronze only or silver only bonuses/deposit bonuses or do like party/every other euro site and send super ****ty losing players an email with a reload bonus

things to make more fish reloads bonuses etc

Cheer up son

Looks like u career peaked yesterday

This isn't really on the topic of the VPP changes, but just an issue I thought of a few days ago that could possibly be brought up there or somewhere else if you guys think it holds any truth to it...


When a person downloads pokerstars and opens the software, the default lobby is filtered to "1-table Sit & Go's". I think if there was some sort of randomizer, or no filter defaulted from the download it would help bring more fish to cash games.

With the way it is set up now "1st timers" have quite a few clicks in order to get to one of our tables, but only 1 or 2 to get registered for a single table Sit & Go. At first thought I assumed Pokerstars had it set up like this to drive fish to the games that brought in the most money, but then I noticed they are the smallest stakes offered on the site so it can't be that.

I'm not sure how much impact this has on our reg to fish ration, but I was talking to a tourney reg last night who said there are probably an average of 3 fish per table a mid-stake tourney, we all know this is not the case for almost any full ring games on stars.

i actually think wc is fair, im not particularly for wta..

i think the best way for pokerstars to compensate for vpp loss is:
1) increase vpp multiplier
2) keep the happy hour system like they have this month

that already cheered me up

honestly please not this

almost every other post I agree with. turning rakebackpros into winners messes up the whole economy. they grind less, different expectation, etc, etc...

+1

def work to increase in vpp multiplier - this is most important imo.

maybe work towards some sort of hybrid system of wta and wc - but i do think wc is fair.

happy hours would be good to keep, but the tables have been quite a lot worse during the hour and I'm not sure how +ev they are playing them tbfh.

might be just coincidence or maybe this is different between 100nl and 200nl+
because i had the best tables in the last 5 days during the happy hours

The vpp multiplier is hard to be increased because it would affect everybody (mtt/sng players). I think rake reduction is the easier way.

Happy hours are horrible. Milestones, reloads, pace bonus, anything but happy hours.

**** off with ****ty happy hours. They're garbage and i cbf getting up before 3pm to play them. Im not a tourney player ffs.

The best is server restart every day.

def agree with this and +1 for don't even bother asking about WTA, it's just a waste of time.

Fair point, but just increasing it to 6.5 from 6 would still mean stars do extremely well out of the new system and would keep the rakeback players reasonably happy.

Always supported rake reduction because it would improve bottom lines, but would change the whole dynamic poker economy as bigacsiga pointed out, but is this even a bad thing?

increasing how many vpps are given out at a cash table would not affect mtt/sng players. u seem to be talking about multipliers based on vip tiers

obv no rakeback pro or super high volume reg wants rake reduction because its gonna make it harder for them to hit SNE and get milestones etc... but for the vast majority of plain SNs a rake reduction would be way better

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