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01-03-2012 , 09:49 PM
currently sittin' in a red roof inn w/ eagles and dip...
entry to canada:
[ ] shippppp it
[x] denied

tr to follow
01-03-2012 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by brrrap!
Thanx for numbers. All FR/no happy hours?
Yes, all 100FR. No Happy Hours.
01-03-2012 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TimStone
they are all spanish and therefore not able to speak english.
lol is it hardcoded in their genes?
01-03-2012 , 09:59 PM
just wondering, does the name blaabar come from 30rock?
01-03-2012 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SmbSmbSmb
partial dickness will be tolerated. if you're ever in our neck of the woods, definitely give us a shout mate.
Sweet, will do, thanks.
01-03-2012 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Ricepaw1226
currently sittin' in a red roof inn w/ eagles and dip...
entry to canada:
[ ] shippppp it
[x] denied

tr to follow
gross what border, I assume eaglesfan, whos dip?
01-03-2012 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SmbSmbSmb
ha yeh, it's alright. yeh we all moved into the house about a month ago, ready for the 2012 grind.

any uk (or really keen non uk) regs are welcome over any time. providing you're not a dick.
01-03-2012 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Glanza_Mike
Might be, my ****in cars off road though cus i'm throwing a new engine in it, innit! so i'd have to get the train or summat gay like that.



Somehow I've managed to get to the ripe old age of 24 and never visit our country's capital so i might actually pop down one weekend if that's cool? I'm a bit of a dick tho......
You still got that NA supra? Single turbo one time.
01-03-2012 , 10:51 PM
http://pokerfuse.com/news/law-legisl...continue-2012/
not sure of site credibility but, maybe this is a bit of good news
01-03-2012 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Macho Man
so after 20k hands at 100nl ive gotten 4680 vpps
HM says 6020 i forgot the important part lol
01-03-2012 , 11:24 PM
Updated.

* Corrected Average VPP Rate (Row 3) from 0.20 down to 0.17 (due to the 15% decrease in Rake Paid) and all calculations dependant on it.

* Added additional info on hands required to make SNE.

* Added additional info on potential net winnings.

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I’ve been attempting to explain how reducing the rake paid in order to compensate for reduced VPPs being awarded- through the WC rake- is not as simple as people think, and that specifically, further VPP value would be lost due to milestones taking longer to reach.

To verify what I’m claiming (or otherwise) I’m putting together a model in the hope of getting this point across. Before coming up with a final version of the model though I’d like to first post this initial version and ask for help from others to “proof read” it for me, and to identify any possible errors, and make any comments. If I'm wrong, great- that's better for me, but I currently think this is a very important implication that virtually everyone seems to be missing.

Model V1.1

The model is based around a “typical” break-even 2011 NL100 SNE player. The first row shows that this player managed 4,000,000 hands in 2011 at an average rate of 0.25 VPP/hand. He made $160k at the tables, but paid $160k in rake to finish the year level. However he received $120k back in SNE value for a total profit of $120k.

The second row shows the same player under the 2012 WC rake, where this particular player earns VPPs at a 20% slower rate. To compensate it is calculated that if his rake paid is reduced by 15%, then this will make up for his reduction in VPP rate, and it looks to work fine. After all, that reduction in rake paid makes him an extra $24k at the tables which seems to balance perfectly with the 20% reduction in total VPP value (from 120k to 96k.)

However, the major problem is that he has now actually only reached 68% of the way towards SNE. So, the third row gives a truer picture of how his year would end up, as his individual VPP value has now been reduced by 20% from $0.1200 to $0.0960, and his average VPP/hand rate has been reduced by 15% (the decrease in rake paid) to 0.17. So his Total Profit for the year has decreased from $120k to under $90k.

So, to reach SNE under these conditions, a player would now have to play over 47% (85% x 80%) more hands than in 2011. In order to put in this volume (if indeed possible) then it's pretty much inevitable that his win-rate (which improved due to the reduction in Rake Back) would deteriote significantly.



NB:

1. $120k has been used as an estimated worth of reaching SNE. It is not meant to be precise, nor does it matter.

2. Rake Paid has been reduced by 15% in this example. This is not the same as a 15% reduction in Rake %age. This is because the rake cap is not reduced by the same percentage, so many pots that were raked at $3 previously would still now be raked at $3. (To see a 15% reduction in Rake Paid, the Rake %age would have to decrease by significantly more than 15%.)

3. The final picture (row 3) would actually be even worse than is portrayed (G7) because reaching 68% of the way towards SNE is worth less than 68% of SNE value.

4. To clarify, this post is not claiming that reducing the rake isn't a bad thing compared to not reducing the rake and making no others changes either.

5. I also think that, by the same token, all store items became effectively more expensive for cash players too.
01-03-2012 , 11:42 PM
make sure to vote for Klairic

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...stars-1148227/
01-03-2012 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Macho Man
HM says $6020 i forgot the important part lol
Mad libs imo
01-03-2012 , 11:44 PM
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...stars-1148227/

There's some voting going on for which player reps are going to talk with Stars, so I'm hoping you guys can take a minute and vote for me. The intro in the main post right now isn't what I'd pick, there's a better one that I posted below, but the mods haven't changed it yet.

Also, my 4 picks would be krmont22, chisness, Sect7G and myself in case you guys want to vote but aren't up to speed on the issues. The micros are being talked about by everyone and don't need their own rep, and PLO8 shouldn't get a rep at this point either.

Last edited by Klairic; 01-03-2012 at 11:50 PM. Reason: Added picks
01-03-2012 , 11:59 PM
Voted
01-04-2012 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerThun


I think this will be more clearer M_B.

First line is 2011 dealt.

In second line, our 100nl guy takes 20% hit because of WC.

In third line rake is reduced by 20% (lets assume), his VPP/hand further reduced by 20% (first 20% reduction is from WC obv). So our guy gain marginal amount of net $ despite 20% reducted rake compared to 2nd line.

Additionally both changes (shown in lines 2 & 3) makes reaching SNE much harder for our 100nl guy and difficult to attain extra value from ongoing SNE years, which is really important too and cannot be incorporated in this simple version

I am signing of now but putting this out there if anyone wants to comment for both, did it quick so any comments / corrections are welcome
I agree this looks clearer. Will update model further tomorrow.
01-04-2012 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ROM Amnesty
Just played a very nitty (12.5/10/3.5) 700-hand session to see how things compared. 0.16 VPP/100 (2012) versus 0.27 VPP/100 (2011)

A decrease of 39%.
.16 is what 50nl usually gets
01-04-2012 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Klairic
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...stars-1148227/

There's some voting going on for which player reps are going to talk with Stars, so I'm hoping you guys can take a minute and vote for me. The intro in the main post right now isn't what I'd pick, there's a better one that I posted below, but the mods haven't changed it yet.

Also, my 4 picks would be krmont22, chisness, Sect7G and myself in case you guys want to vote but aren't up to speed on the issues. The micros are being talked about by everyone and don't need their own rep, and PLO8 shouldn't get a rep at this point either.
Voted. btw I thought you where already in...

Is that an official poll? Is stars picking based on it (recent confirmation from them, don't know their stance on this after the sit out)? Any idea how long the poll will run?

Let me know and I will spam strategy/twitter and ship the thing. However since theirs only six candidates, if I pick the people you name you might bubble, can people only vote for one candidate? If not, I will see the best line up so you get in for sure.
01-04-2012 , 01:37 AM
my vpp/hand down from 0.31 in 2011 to 0.237 in 2012, about 17/13
01-04-2012 , 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Dante63s
Voted. btw I thought you where already in...

Is that an official poll? Is stars picking based on it (recent confirmation from them, don't know their stance on this after the sit out)? Any idea how long the poll will run?

Let me know and I will spam strategy/twitter and ship the thing. However since theirs only six candidates, if I pick the people you name you might bubble, can people only vote for one candidate? If not, I will see the best line up so you get in for sure.
It's been a weird few days in finalizing the panel. I was officially invited, but that could still be up in the air at this point.

Stars needs the candidates that go to have the public's support, so if someone had no public support, it would be hard to get them to go. I don't know if this will actually be used to determine who goes, but it would definitely make someone not go if their numbers were too low.

You can pick 4 candidates. I gave my reasons for why I think those guys should go, but I feel uncomfortable getting a massive number of people to blindly vote for us. There's certainly reasons for the micros and O8 guys to want a rep. I'm ok with bubbling as well. I think I'm a good guy to send, but if the public disagrees, that's fine. Do what you think is right.
01-04-2012 , 04:13 AM
voted
01-04-2012 , 04:33 AM
havent played on stars in a long time but voted for you Klairic
01-04-2012 , 04:42 AM
recently stumbled across a thread about tri nguyen in the books and publications subforum. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/33...0/index20.html

probably worth a read if you work/have worked in coaching industry or are upset by his marketing techniques. or if you like him and think he's a humble and brilliant mind in the poker community, you can read too, i guess.
01-04-2012 , 04:43 AM
on another note. clearly, i really need to get set up in bahamas. sent out some emails to realtors recently, so hopefully that happens sooner rather than later. i apologize for being slightly unbalanced in my posting range (a bit too salty). hope to entertain people with some set folds in the future
01-04-2012 , 04:46 AM
    Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11541682

    MP1: $275 (137.5 bb)
    MP2: $200 (100 bb)
    MP3: $200 (100 bb)
    CO: $101 (50.5 bb)
    BTN: $200 (100 bb)
    SB: $200 (100 bb)
    Hero (BB): $211.25 (105.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q 8
    5 folds, SB raises to $5, Hero calls $3

    Flop: ($10) 4 8 Q (2 players)
    SB bets $5.50, Hero raises to $16, SB calls $10.50

    Turn: ($42) 2 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $28, SB calls $28

    River: ($98) 7 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $64, SB raises to $151 and is all-in, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $226 pot ($3 rake)
    Final Board: 4 8 Q 2 7
    SB mucked and won $223 ($110 net)
    Hero mucked Q 8 and lost (-$113 net)



    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.

    Last edited by vinivici9586; 01-04-2012 at 04:46 AM. Reason: i played it like a set

          
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