ROM, what does innit mean?

sounds like isnt it with an english accent.

It's how chavs pronounce isn't it in the UK

Yeah, it means "isn't it" but a lot of youths (especially British/South Asians) stick it at the end of virtually all of their sentences to mean "isn't it" or similar (e.g. "isn't he") or with no mean at all (and just part of a habit.)

Personally, I would say something like "it's hot today, innit?" more often than "it's hot today, isn't it?" but it's slang, so one would use it more often in an informal setting.


EDIT: This a short [poor quality] clip from "Little Britain." The Indian IT technician uses the term at the end of the clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_Fh3tWDjpQ

Is it just me or did all the 40bb regs take a holiday?

I've seen very few at 200-400nl

I've played 25k hands this month and my sessions have been anywhere from a 1% increase to a 22% decrease with a 1-2% difference max in my vpip/pfr

.487 over 3707 hands at 200 so far this year but been running hot imagine this is gunna fall quite a bit

i'm extremely tired and not sure if this makes sense, but the correct metric should be vpp/dollar raked, not vpp/hand. you're getting a lot more vpp's playing loose but you're raking a lot more, and the opposite goes for playing ultra tight. proportionally (vpp vs rake) you're earning the same if you're playing more or less the same postflop.

comparing your 25/22 vpp accrual to your 2011 vpp accrual rate is misleading, imo.

wp!

Yes. I'm not comparing what I'm currently getting with what I used to get. I'm comparing what I'm currently getting (Stars Client) with what I would currently be getting if using the 2011 system (Hem "New Stars VPP" stat.)

That is, 0.27 VPP/hand was what I would have earned with both samples if WC rake hadn't been introduced, according to HEM.

hopefully a long holiday to the land of no vpps for you.

me and you are pros though (except I am a spewtard )

Yeah a lot of 40 bb'ers have ****ed off it seems. Glorious.

I’ve been attempting to explain how reducing the rake paid in order to compensate for reduced VPPs being awarded- through the WC rake- is not as simple as people think, and that specifically, further VPP value would be lost due to milestones taking longer to reach.

To verify what I’m claiming (or otherwise) I’m putting together a model in the hope of getting this point across. Before coming up with a final version of the model though I’d like to first post this initial version and ask for help from others to “proof read” it for me, and to identify any possible errors, and make any comments. If I'm wrong, great- that's better for me, but I currently think this is a very important implication that virtually everyone seems to be missing.

Model V1.0

The model is based around a “typical” break-even 2011 NL100 SNE player. The first row shows that this player managed 4,000,000 hands in 2011 at an average rate of 0.25 VPP/hand. He made $160k at the tables, but paid $160k in rake to finish the year level. However he received $120k back in SNE value for a total profit of $120k.

The second row shows the same player under the 2012 WC rake, where this particular player earns VPPs at a 20% slower rate. To compensate it is calculated that if his rake paid is reduced by 15%, then this will make up for his reduction in VPP rate, and it looks to work fine. After all, that reduction in rake paid makes him an extra $24k at the tables which seems to balance perfectly with the 20% reduction in total VPP value (from 120k to 96k.)

However, the major problem is that he has now actually only reached 80% of the way towards SNE. So, the third row gives a truer picture of how his year would end up, as his individual VPP value has now been reduced by 20% from $0.1200 to $0.0960. So his Total Profit for the year has decreased by 15% from $120k to just over $100k.



NB:

1. $120k has been used as an estimated worth of reaching SNE. It is not meant to be precise, nor does it matter.

2. Rake Paid has been reduced by 15% in this example. This is not the same as a 15% reduction in Rake %age. This is because the rake cap is not reduced by the same percentage, so many pots that were raked at $3 previously would still now be raked at $3. (To see a 15% reduction in Rake Paid, the Rake %age would have to decrease by significantly more than 15%.)

3. The final picture (row 3) would actually be even worse than is portrayed (G7) because reaching 80% of the way towards SNE is worth less than 80% of SNE value.

4. To clarify, this post is not claiming that reducing the rake isn't a bad thing compared to not reducing the rake and making no others changes either.

5. I also think that, by the same token, all store items became effectively more expensive for cash players too.

I think this will be more clearer M_B.

First line is 2011 dealt.

In second line, our 100nl guy takes 20% hit because of WC.

In third line rake is reduced by 20% (lets assume), his VPP/hand further reduced by 20% (first 20% reduction is from WC obv). So our guy gain marginal amount of net $ despite 20% reducted rake compared to 2nd line.

Additionally both changes (shown in lines 2 & 3) makes reaching SNE much harder for our 100nl guy and difficult to attain extra value from ongoing SNE years, which is really important too and cannot be incorporated in this simple version

I am signing of now but putting this out there if anyone wants to comment for both, did it quick so any comments / corrections are welcome

so reducing rake is good? or bad? all this has confused me now

spain is seperated which means there are basically no moar 40BB spaniards at 200. The russians stay though but since the spainiards were LAGs and the russians are all nits it is alot less annoying

decreasing rake is always good if you are not going for very high milestones and making most of your money out of rakeback


I just played a session 7k hands NL200-600 FR and shorthanded. Havent checked but i assume my standard 16/13 // 20/18

was avg 0.35. Last year I would've for sure had 0.5 given how decent the games were.

so even if they introduce a compensation there is no way I'm going for SNE this year... prolly wil drop down tables from 19-20 to 14-15 and play a different style with better tablesselection and still make the same VPPs if not moar while having a better WR for sure.

A decent amount of players will not be able to play poker for a living anymoar. when i have such a significant drop i can only imagine what a guy playing 12/10 is experiencing In the end it might really increase game quality bc some people simply have to stop playing or switch to SNGs/MTTs/multisiting/whatsoever while other will start playing fewer tables which will result in a better fish/reg ratio as well (even though these players might be harder to play against bc they play fewer tables).

Cannot really predict what all this means for my bottomline but we will see. Thankfully I only made 800k last year bc for almost every current SNE the new system sucks bigtime...

I'm sorry, and i understand why some people want more vpps awarded as preference over the rake being reduced. But i am not one of them, I realise it probably "blows" the most for sne grinders but reducing the rake is by far the superior way of enabling higher winrates at the lower limits and allowing for money to move up through the poker "ecosystem". I doubt stars is going to reduce rakepaid and increase Vpps awarded like many hope. Imo we should be vehemently concentrating on reducing the rake paid and only when we achieve that should we be looking to increase vpp's awarded.

I know there are many that aren't going to share my opinion on this and i have no malice towards people who's aim is to just get an increase in vpps, I'm just putting it out there that reductions in rake paid could/would provide serious improvements in the state of the games that are, unfortunately, not easily measured or compared to an increase in vpps.

Crazy how much of a difference playing style can affect the new rake system, i'm getting 0.35 - 0.37 playing strictly 100NL this year so far, basically exactly what i got last year, so any increases to the VPP multiplier or rake reduction is going to be awesome

spain is not yet separated. legislation hasn't gone thru yet. it may be another 3 months

havent seen a single spainiard today, and moya moved to uk and sobrao to portugal so i just assumed it... nvmd...

hard to believe stars would stick it to SNEs like this.

Haha, moyaa told me that 40 spanish people moved to Bournemouth in the uk, where he is at the moment. The changes are def going to kill off many of the other 40 bb players though.

That's great news. Now instead of giving them shlt on PTR, I can drive an hour or so down the road and give them shlt.

Was planning on doing a summer in Canada to get a quick SNE repeat. Would have started with ~380k vpp's from when BF hit but now I think I'm just gonna stick it out on Merge.

wtf why would all 40 move to the same place? if it were vancouver id get it, but bournemouth...?