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07-17-2010 , 01:52 AM

#24901

hurt

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Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 7,142

lol ringer, was gonna say how can you not squeeze when it's 5-way and he's an obv donk that minraises UTG then minbets postflop but he had KK so, sick soul read sir. also you're a fish!

07-17-2010 , 01:53 AM

#24902

luvinurmoney

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,144

Quote:

Originally Posted by SABR42

Having outs doesn't mean you should always jam and just take your pot equity. There might be better options.

The rest of your post doesn't really apply vs a fish. I shoved river because I hit a hidden hand and didn't want him to check behind a 1-pair hand.

I would agree if you just had a naked flush draw or flush draw and a pair and his range was more polarized, i think thats the word, but you have a **** load of equity and his range is sooooooo wide here.

07-17-2010 , 01:56 AM

#24903

Joopjan

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Quote:

Originally Posted by luvinurmoney

how please explain?

Because a fish (who are by passive 90% of the time) is hardly ever going to raise this turn with less then 2p. Fish are also likely to pay us of on the river if we do manage to bink one of our outs.

07-17-2010 , 01:57 AM

#24904

porkroll

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,339

fwiw...experiencing lag on ftp client tonight. i never have lag.

07-17-2010 , 01:57 AM

#24905

Joopjan

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Quote:

Originally Posted by luvinurmoney

I would agree if you just had a naked flush draw or flush draw and a pair and his range was more polarized, i think thats the word, but you have a **** load of equity and his range is sooooooo wide here.

him having a wide range doesnt mean that range doesnt crush our range.

07-17-2010 , 01:59 AM

#24906

SABR42

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I would have c/f to a shove on those cards. So yes he would have outplayed me in that case.

I just played my hand as if I were drawing because fish much more often call down with with other draws on this kind of board rather than minraise.

07-17-2010 , 02:02 AM

#24907

SABR42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Joopjan

Because a fish (who are by passive 90% of the time) is hardly ever going to raise this turn with less then 2p. Fish are also likely to pay us of on the river if we do manage to bink one of our outs.

Basically this. Obv at the time I couldn't see that he didn't have a pair, but 90% of the time we need to improve to win and the fish obviously isn't folding any better hand to a shove.

07-17-2010 , 02:03 AM

#24908

luvinurmoney

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Joopjan

Because a fish (who are by passive 90% of the time) is hardly ever going to raise this turn with less then 2p. Fish are also likely to pay us of on the river if we do manage to bink one of our outs.

ok now I'm being nitpicky. Then why are we betting so big on the turn? I do agree that if the only hands he was raising here were 2p and better than call and hoping to bink is better.

07-17-2010 , 02:06 AM

#24909

SABR42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by luvinurmoney

ok now I'm being nitpicky. Then why are we betting so big on the turn? I do agree that if the only hands he was raising here were 2p and better than call and hoping to bink is better.

Eh? I bet $34 into $49. Pretty easy bet because he can continue to call with worse hands/draws.

His minraise is usually a sign of strength so I slowed down and called to hit. Don't know why it seems unusual to you.

07-17-2010 , 02:07 AM

#24910

Joopjan

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we're betting big because we have over 50% vs his continiuing range which contains a ton of 1p hands as well as draws

07-17-2010 , 02:13 AM

#24911

luvinurmoney

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SABR42

Eh? I bet $34 into $49. Pretty easy bet because he can continue to call with worse hands/draws.

His minraise is usually a sign of strength so I slowed down and called to hit. Don't know why it seems unusual to you.

haha wow my bad. I forgot I was reading a 200nl hand because I'm so used to 100nl lol. Yea I agree with the turn bet. The more I think of it, the more I think you played it right, I was just being results oriented I guess. I still sort of like the jam though :/

07-17-2010 , 02:14 AM

#24912

DamnRinger

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Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,334

anybody read the main story on PTR about the stars bots? wow.

07-17-2010 , 02:38 AM

#24913

Abelian

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,069

Quote:

Originally Posted by luvinurmoney

haha wow my bad. I forgot I was reading a 200nl hand because I'm so used to 100nl lol. Yea I agree with the turn bet. The more I think of it, the more I think you played it right, I was just being results oriented I guess. I still sort of like the jam though :/

Even at 100nl, I am just calling this raise.

Your equity vs the min raise isn't always so great on the turn (only one card to come). If he's bluffing, we have the best hand with our pair. If he isn't bluffing, he gave us direct odds to hit our hand.

The closer to immediate odds we have to hit our hand, the more inclined we should be to take them. Especially vs an opponent where our implied odds are high (ie: vs fish).

The more money we put in on the turn, the worse our direct and implied odds (and we already know we have low FE vs fish).

07-17-2010 , 02:46 AM

#24914

DiscoBisco

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Abelian

Even at 100nl, I am just calling this raise.

Your equity vs the min raise isn't always so great on the turn (only one card to come). If he's bluffing, we have the best hand with our pair. If he isn't bluffing, he gave us direct odds to hit our hand.

The closer to immediate odds we have to hit our hand, the more inclined we should be to take them. Especially vs an opponent where our implied odds are high (ie: vs fish).

The more money we put in on the turn, the worse our direct and implied odds (and we already know we have low FE vs fish).

Yeah this basically

07-17-2010 , 02:48 AM

#24915

2cards2come

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Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 931

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamnRinger

anybody read the main story on PTR about the stars bots? wow.

Looks like PTR is not all bad

07-17-2010 , 03:07 AM

#24916

MATEUSZEK

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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,598

Swear to god if I ever run good one god damn month out of the year I'm going to make at least half the regs @ 1/2 redeposit in attempt to rebuild their bankroll. This is god awful.

07-17-2010 , 03:10 AM

#24917

ChoiceAsBro

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yeah that **** is crazy. Online poker rigged after all! (i knew it all along)

07-17-2010 , 04:18 AM

#24918

RedEyedTroll

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MATEUSZEK

Swear to god if I ever run good one god damn month out of the year I'm going to make at least half the regs @ 1/2 redeposit in attempt to rebuild their bankroll. This is god awful.

I'll join you. Although in not as many hands, I've run horribly my last 25,000 hands. I flopped quads today and actually had the insta-thought of, "oh god what is he gonna get?"

MarcxKarem, I hope your poker career dies in a fire. Seriously.

07-17-2010 , 04:22 AM

#24919

RedEyedTroll

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 562

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamnRinger

anybody read the main story on PTR about the stars bots? wow.

07-17-2010 , 06:50 AM

#24920

CSheahan

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Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 597

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamnRinger

anybody read the main story on PTR about the stars bots? wow.

I skimmed through it. PS will probably ignore it for as long as possible since the bots generate so much rake.

07-17-2010 , 11:28 AM

#24921

TheRenaissance

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Wow at the bots find. Sick.

07-17-2010 , 11:32 AM

#24922

vizer02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DamnRinger

anybody read the main story on PTR about the stars bots? wow.

Haha I wouldn't be surprised if it's the old mariojr/drunkenboxer/fulltilting clan, who oddly enough stopped playing on FTP at the end of 2008, while these accounts started playing on Stars at the beginning of 2009.

Also I can't help but lol at how their vpip from the blinds is more than 3x more than it is from the CO.

07-17-2010 , 11:35 AM

#24923

GoAheadPutMeOnAK

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,768

Countdown until the bot programmer creates a thread in the Internet Poker forum titled "stars froze account and stolen my moneys plz help"

07-17-2010 , 11:37 AM

#24924

TheRenaissance

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Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 10,588

lol yeah.
"but im a winning player!"

07-17-2010 , 11:40 AM

#24925

TheRenaissance

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Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 10,588

owned

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $200.00
UTG: $114.25
UTG+1: $68.00
Hero (MP1): $205.00
MP2: $307.50
CO: $200.00
BTN: $168.50
SB: $200.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP1 with A

4

2 folds, Hero raises to $6, MP2 calls $6, 4 folds

Flop: ($15.00) 2

T

9

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

Turn: ($15.00) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

River: ($15.00) 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $2, MP2 raises to $21, Hero calls $19

Final Pot: $57.00
Hero mucks A

4

MP2 shows J

T

(a pair of Tens)
MP2 wins $54.15
(Rake: $2.85)

Last edited by TheRenaissance; 07-17-2010 at 11:42 AM. Reason: fold preflop

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