only lost $550 ev tonight

If im not 15 or more bi below ev it feels like im running twighlight zone hot

Also flying shark is good but it helps when you can flat 4 bets with JT os and flop broadway

its definitely an error with the old cake hand importer which i'm sure vizer can vouch for too. It did something like change mucked hands to AKos for purposes of not causing an error in hem (and the old cake hh method was horrible). So anything to get them into hem was great so we could keep track.

OMG HOW BAD DO I RUN!?!?!? Here's my database graph w/ ev line...


On a serious note, it kinda sucks cause I really have no idea how bad I've run in this database... cause that period took a dump on it.

I just talked to seraph about it, and he agreed that was probably the error, and that post is from ages ago. I think the kid has his head on his shoulders a bit more now.

those of you bitching ITT - i know where all of your EV is... would post but don't want to activate my doomswitch...

having said that - somebody stole all my EV last month so maybe what goes around...

I hear you, Zach. I had a good January, but the last two months have been barely breakeven. I'm about 11 buy-ins below my EV graph for the period. Very frustrating.

yeah poker is a brutal game. I think the psychological aspects of maintaining/recovering my A game is probably the worst part. When you get into that run bad/play bad cycle that I've been in this month so far it's just tough to explain how hard it can be to snap out of it.

I'm going to try to play short sessions, book it when I've played a good session and hadn't tilted, and not look at results for the rest of this ****ty month.

lol yeah I mean I have no room to bitch too since to end last year ran like 5k above and ran good for prop bet which effectively was probably something like 20k above ev but for some reason that doesn't help feel any better when you get it in >90% equity preflop and expect to lose (and then do).

zachvac, do you cringe everytime a turn and river card are delt? I'm permanently damaged, and I've been running equal to my EV since I came back 7 days ago. lol

poker is a cruel mean game

it can be tough at times.
but im sure we could quickly compile a list of a thousand jobs that are a lot more stressful.

Really? I've said this for a long time, but I guess it doesn't seem like it would be too hard for people to arrive at the same term.

This includes a hand 200bb deep where he called my 4bet with 64s and flopped a bunch of 4's against my aces.

I guess it depends on what you mean by stress. Like, I don't lay awake at night wondering if I've forgotten how to win (okay, maybe this happens a couple times a year, but it's rare), but I definitely have more "bad mood days" than I would experience because of a regular job. There are plenty of days where I'll take a string of beats, be stuck 5 BI in an hour, and just have to stop before I punch my monitor. Yeah, it's the price we pay to wake up at 4PM and work 15 hours a week, but that doesn't make those days any easier to take.

Every day would be a bad mood day waking up at 7AM and trying to get through the traffic to get to an annoying boss and dumb coworkers to do something you have no real interest in.

Well yeah, that's definitely true. I hated my life when I had a real job for ~4 months, but it was more because it was a boring routine than "I want to punch stuff." Real jobs bore you because they're monotonous; poker occasionally makes you extremely angry, worried, and/or depressed. To me, that makes poker more stressful...but I agree that it's still worth it because of all the other good stuff it provides.

EDIT: I mean, how stressful can jobs be when you can slack off for two weeks and know that you'll be paid exactly the same amount as if you busted your ass?

does anyone know a serious poker player who doesn't whine and mope and feel sorry for himself at least half the time? i am sure they exist, but they seem very rare. i try to control myself, but i do let out whimpers from time to time. but it is pretty pathetic when you think about what a privileged situation many of us are in.

this is (part of) why I will never get a regular job.


@ Ren, trying to work on this myself as I think it would be a giant step in the right direction, not only when viewed in terms of poker. As for a player, idk, maybe nanonoko? durrr? or maybe you're talking about human players...

you are lucky, and being results oriented. The fact you were lucky enough to have landed a "boring" job doesn't mean all jobs are like that. Hell, not 1% of jobs are like that. In the long run.


maybe those ~4 months weren't enough for your boss to be under a deadline, or have some sh.t hit the fan so that he can take out his frustration/lack of intelligence on you. You were lucky to miss that, most people aren't.

Also, not sure being bored out of your mind everyday for a paycheck is the way to go. sure it's easy, but are you absolutely sure you want to spend ~10+ EFFECTIVE yrs of your life (considering you work 30 yrs 8 hrs a day) being bored out of your mind? Just for the sake of a paycheck?


Lol, it used to be that farmers NEEDED to farm, or they wouldn't eat, cattle herders needed to herd cattle or they didn't eat. This has now translated to a huge % of the world's population doing jobs:


1. They hate
2. Different to what they finished an education for
3. That could be done by a well trained money, nevermind machines (which, btw, are being used everywhere throughout the world, but only when it's in the financial interests of the company using them)
4. That have no bearing on their lives.
5. That have no real importance in the grand scheme of the world other than fueling consumerism just a tad more


The veil needs to be lifted IMO. Getting paid is half the concept of "wage slavery". the other is being a slave.

Not including poker, I think I've had two part-time jobs and two full-time jobs in my life. The full-timers were both office jobs where the environment was pretty relaxed. One part-timer was similar, and the other was working at a TV station. That was probably the most stressful wrt deadlines and stuff, but it was about a 2/10 on the stress scale...not even in the same universe as "I just dropped a grand in ten minutes."

Again, I'm not saying jobs are/aren't good/bad/whatever, just that they aren't anywhere near as stressful as poker (if you define stress the same way I do). Maybe I've just been super lucky with jobs and bosses and stuff, but a lot of my friends have very comparable situations and don't ever seem the least bit stressed out.

Jah, no offence because you're cool guy, but this sounds like one of the leaflets handed out by the socialist workers party on the high street, standing next to the guys with the megaphones telling you you've got 46 minutes to be saved before the end of the world.

It's just not clear what point you're making. Are modern jobs worse than jobs in previous eras? Are jobs now unneccessary? What better approach are you advocating?

BTW I also think certain things are pretty dysfunctional at the moment, but take the view that coordinating 6.5bn people is some tough ****.

bottom line we are lucky but its normal people behavior to always want more / think they can do better etc we are never satisfied.

i agree this "job" can get really stressful but here we are all the same doesnt matter if you are the son of someone or if you are american / european / latin american etc you all have the same opportunity of success and just the smarter ones /the ones with better selfcontrol etc are going to make it . nice huh ? FAIR LIFE BABY!

I still haven't had a proper job apart from poker. I think my resume is going to look bad when I finish university somehow.

I'm hitchhiking to paris in a week or two for charity, so I'm going to donate the profits from yesterdays regfun session at 25nl to that. You guys inadvertently did something nice

none taken, i've no reason to. and thanks

it's funny you mention socialism. I was just saying to the missus in Amsterdam a few days ago how nowadays if you even have the guts to say that communism, as a theoretical concept wasn't that bad, you'll instantly get abused at least verbally.

Like seriously, let's read the "definition" of capitalism, and why stop there, take democracy as well while we're at it, and see if and how the "definitions" of these terms stack up to the reality that is.

Now consider what socialism STOOD for. Was it bad? No, it was in the interest of the people. Just as democracy claims to be, just like capitalism claims to be, and just like the freaking Pope who looks like this:



and condones the paedophilia of certain church related individuals.

Yeah, sorry, I'm ranting, but hopefully you see what I'm saying. Not agreeing with the way capitalism and democracy work don't necessarily make one a communist/socialist.
Furthermore, agreeing with certain principles of communism/socialism doesn't make you an evil person/future dictator.

And no, I don't have any solutions, there's no such thing. We've made war on men for thousands of years. We've murdered millions of men, women and children in the name of Religion or simply for teritorial conquest. These and many many other things will not be changed lightly. there is no solution that will change things in 5, 10 or 50 years.

But more to the point of jobs, yes many are unnecesary and could be done by machines/robots. But then, there would be more demand for "robot makers" and "robot technicians" than for "floor sweepers" hence raising the general level of living.
Have you also wondered why we still work as many, even more hours now, than we did 50 yrs ago? I mean, wtf, the technological advances are huge, right? Why is everybody pushing a dead end job in 2010?

Let me ask this. While millions of people are working on stuff like(and this is just off the top of my head):


- developing the 6 billionth face cream
- developing the 60 billionth type of soft drink
- making clothes that nobody but obscenely rich people wear
- being an accountant for one of the 600.000 restaurants in Las Vegas
- being an accountant for a big corporation (this is hard, it involves manipulating numbers so the company looks better than it rly is and many other under-handed sleights of hand)

etc

where exactly are we going, as a planet? As a species of beings with rationality, consciousness and (it is said) compassion. What are our goals? I know Bush/Obama wants oil, and a looooot of people want to build nuclear weapons. Even more are trading in weapons and raking in the dough every time there's a war. But, except for empty promises and false hope, what is being offered to those that really need help? What positive values are we promoting? Are there any? We've had thousands of years to get organized, now we've reached a technological level that allows us to do so much. What are we doing though?





I don't want to come off like i'm preaching or i'm wearing my tinfoil hat as I type, as that's def not the case.

He likes try to outplay me,
Is xxnsrxafkxx posting here? coolerpro imo

I have a stressful job IRL.

Can't wait to get home from work and unwind at the tables.

Compliance, cross-sales, targets, deadlines. I think about giving it up all the time to play cards. I left work today at 7:30 pm I got there at 8am. There's already 100's of thing to do tomorrow. I'd love to be able to get up when I want, take breaks when I want. Have lunch.

Anyway enough whining.... Here's something a little fun against one of you regs.



Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Mclexouxd13 (BB): $162.75
Gonzxxa177 (UTG): $205.35
CrazyxDxoxnk Inc (UTG+1): $232.75
Bimbxyxris (UTG+2): $226.55
Hero (MP1): $361.95
knzxxmn (MP2): $76.00
BerlinsBest (CO): $215.15
Raxxn27 (BTN): $218.65
charlxxy159 (SB): $65.60

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP1 with T J
3 folds, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, BerlinsBest calls $5, 1 fold, charly159 calls $4, 1 fold

Flop: ($17.00) 7 8 K (3 players)
charly159 checks, Hero bets $12, BerlinsBest calls $12, charly159 folds

Turn: ($41.00) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BerlinsBest bets $27.75, Hero raises to $77.75, BerlinsBest calls $50

River: ($196.50) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $267.20 all in, BerlinsBest folds

Final Pot: $196.50
Hero wins $193.50
(Rake: $3.00)

Spew?

I think if he has 2pair+ he just shoves over c/r so his range is mostly draws and pair+draws and I rep a set pretty well.

Like, cliffnotes to my point are:

- for the most part we could work ~5hrs/day and make a comfortable living, having more time for culture, etc
- this would however radically change things for the better and this is not in the interest of some
- much work + 1000 TV channels + NFL + NBA + NHL + baseball + WoW etc = no time to think

- which leads to
Compliance to not question things, go with the flow and accept the status quo.

Let me make one point close to all of your hearts:


America is a Democratic country, yes? That means that for all intents and purposes the government serves the will of the people.

Why, then was online poker declared "illegal" and why is it still so after years of protest from the freakin people?

And why then is the facade of "democracy" being upheld?


USA vs the will of the people:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest...t_the_Iraq_War






edit: On a lighter note,vaguely related, I just came across this and the end rly made me LOL.
it's from #2 here: http://listverse.com/2009/05/30/top-...alds-products/