The point is that we're very likely to not get a chance to get a reasonable bill. This has been the common theme throughout the thread, including the reason why the PPA jumped on board with the reid bill.

As for the segregation, it won't be permanent. There's money to be made in having the international market on pokersites (both for the sites themselves, and the US government) and because of that the sites would go international.

Yes, there would be a period without it but this is a lot more preferable to where we're headed. At this point in time we're looking towards a future where it's possible more states will follow WA's suit (as I understand it, likely) and even more prevalent - More payment processor issues.

Simply with affiliate signups I'm hearing complains about new players who can't deposit (and these are the ones that choose to send me a support ticket) and it's not hard to find hundreds of posts on TwoPlusTwo about deposit and withdrawal issues. What about all the others affected who don't post here?

We don't have an endless stream of payment processors, and the more expensive and risky it comes to operate, the more likely we'll reach a point where deposits are so difficult that fish no longer bother, or can't bother. Unfortunately this cold, hard reality isn't as far away as people would like to realize. Sticking your head in the sand doesn't just make it go away.

You may find this dramatic, but, do the legwork and you'll see just how close to the truth it actually is. Research this yourself. It's part of your job.

+1 to this. I want everything to be regulated too, but not with this bill.

wow, you're fast, I was just about to post that (karak quote).

Karak is reputable, but not an insider. He called reid's office apparently. There are two other posters who also say they called--one was told the same thing as Karak, another was told "we are still working on it."

I agree, but I think this was very likely our last shot at regulation for a couple of years to come (and I will be surprised if the industry survives in any reasonable health for more then a year).

+1 basically i said the same thing, i don't trust Harry Reid. He is doing it not for the benefit of us ldo

For those of you who aren't railing the legislation thread, i figured I would post this recent post from Skallagrim.

Skall is an attorney, and he is the litigation support director for the PPA, as well as being a member of its board of directors. I have gotten to know him personally a bit from my work with the PPA, and I have enormous respect for him as an honorable and intelligent person.

LOL as if legislation that is created in is this country is done so with the people in mind .....

This part really pisses me the **** off

Completely agree

1. PPA is useless, who cares what they back
2. as i've understood, segregation will end in 5 years at the earliest. that is a very long time you know, and even that is an optimistic timeframe (it might not happen in our lifetimes). by the time it does happen, poker might be a solved game.
3. a few states "might" follow WA-s suit>half the states opting out of the new bill
4. yes depositing is hard for americans, but they still do it to an extent that they can lose 120 million dollars in 10 months, so it is obviously not impossible

can I be so bold as to ask why the **** you're ignoring all of skelm's posts saying that poker as an industry is likely to not be viable in a year's time?

you're like a broken record, +1-ing different posts that say the same thing and ignoring posts that are different to your viewpoint.


if you were trolling, you'd be doing a very very good job

1 outa 3 aint bad i guess

Sigh. Go do the research, you'll get depressed, feel foolish, but at least you'll no longer be naive. Ignorance is bliss, but not when your wallet is in the equation.

depending on the size of your wallet, the opposite might actually be true.

obv not in this particular discussion

I didn't ignore. I did say it is very close as did other posters. But i already stated reasons why i think it outweighs the reasons to go with the bill.

4 years ago, we lost a vote in the house of representatives on UIGEA by a vote of about 330something to 70something.

We got Fristed with UIGEA being attached to the Port Security Act in an attempt to completely shut down online poker.

Here we are, 4 years later, still playing. The PPA fought and won, singlehandedly, to delay UIGEA regs until this year. Harrah's is now sort of on our side (they opposed us back then) and we are pretty close to Fristing the Fristers.

It is important to realize that in just 4 years, the PPA has changed the political landscape from everybody is free to screw over poker players to us having had two semi-decent shots this year at passing a bill.

Even if this effort fails, by playing offense, the PPA is keeping our opponents on defense.

The PPA isn't useless; they saved your ass and you never even realized your ass was hanging over a meat grinder.

im not american, my ass is fine. i just dont want to lose your donks with your crappy bill.

re skelm, did my research by going to internet poker, the first thread about depositing problems was thread nr 62, on the third page, it was from january and 30 posts long.

Skelm, you've mentioned a few times about the processor difficulties, but is there any reason to think this most recent episode is any different from the other previous episodes where processors have been raided? It seems to happen about 2x a year.

Well this is a bit scary

http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/f...e-facepalm.jpg

Ment, again I'll say this. This isn't Estonia. You say you understand but clearly you don't.

We have 307 million people here. You have 1.7 million people. If you're excited about a country as big as ours putting in 110 million with 307 million people then I have nothing more to say. A little more than 30 cents a person in a country that loves to gamble is an issue. Don't try to pretend you give a **** about anyone else except yourself in this bill. You're being incredibly short-sighted though and if you actually kept up with the legislation thread, you'd see that we are in trouble regardless of the bill going through or not.

i like to just post random shyt so i give this +11111111111

Vizers post essentially sums this up, I'll elaborate soon but want to get some hands in first (and tbh this thread is tilting me this morning)

This.

Ment, you have no idea what you're talking about if that's the extend of your research it's unfathomable as to why you even posted about the subject in the first place.

I like you and you've always seemed smarter then this, so if you're trolling me, good game, hook line and sinker.