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NL200: TT get 4-bet NL200: TT get 4-bet

10-30-2008 , 02:15 PM
Last of my series of 4 hands

Villain is very aggro. 20/17 over 1K. 3bet 6%
Fold to 3-bet 56%, 4-bet 18%.

Maybe I should not 3-bet this, but when late MP or CO steal blinds that I´m supposed to steal, I do not like that


Hero (BTN): $208.00
SB: $26.00
BB: $125.00
UTG: $35.65
UTG+1: $190.00
MP1: $86.80
MP2: $200.00
CO: $167.10

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with T T
3 folds, MP2 raises to $7, 1 fold, Hero raises to $24, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $58, hero ???
10-30-2008 , 02:45 PM
nah i dont shove but u should be doing this too to him (and others (but not to me))
10-30-2008 , 02:47 PM
but like, if its like 2ns-3rd 4bet in a row i found out shoving is actually good. but ur not saying that. ppl get ******ed with like 4beting connectors sometimes. in these spots.
10-30-2008 , 03:31 PM
Any history?
10-30-2008 , 03:41 PM
Shove over this all day.
10-30-2008 , 04:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by il_martilo
Any history?
Nope. Would have told so if there was ...
10-30-2008 , 06:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricky1231
Shove over this all day.
Curious why here.
10-30-2008 , 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by negipai98
Curious why here.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabethebabe
Villain is very aggro. 20/17 over 1K. 3bet 6%
Fold to 3-bet 56%, 4-bet 18%.

Maybe I should not 3-bet this, but when late MP or CO steal blinds that I´m supposed to steal, I do not like that
I think the stats pretty much tell the story.

The theory behind it is that pretty much any hand you 3 bet for value with against this type of opponent in this situation you should be going with. You should also be bluff shoving a ton here.

** I thought that hero was in the BB and not OTB but I think the above still applies. Flatting just isn't that great here imo.

*** Oh, discount the thing I said about getting it in with any hand you 3 bet for value. I wrote that when I thought villain was in the blinds. You can totally 3 bet tons of hands here for value that can fold to a 4 bet. 1010 is not one of them.

Last edited by Ricky1231; 10-30-2008 at 06:35 PM.
10-30-2008 , 07:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricky1231
Shove over this all day.
/agree
10-31-2008 , 02:09 AM
yep get it in, its a bluff enough of the time to b ev+
10-31-2008 , 12:33 PM
Shove is fine, although villain's 4bet stats over only 1k hands are not going to be very accurate.
10-31-2008 , 12:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaffer
Shove is fine, although villain's 4bet stats over only 1k hands are not going to be very accurate.
Yeah but you can make some pretty good assumptions if his pfr is 17 and his fold to 3 bet is 55.
10-31-2008 , 12:56 PM
i think if his 4bet% is that high and fold to 3bet% is that low over 1k hands u can make the assumption that he 4bets light a lot....
10-31-2008 , 01:22 PM
Thanks, Ricky and others.
11-01-2008 , 05:06 AM
what is his 4 bet % ? you just put his 3bet % but he is 4betting anyways his fold to 3 bet is so low and his very aggro i believe shoving is EV+
11-01-2008 , 05:16 AM
i shove this all day.
11-01-2008 , 06:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AgressiveDog
what is his 4 bet % ? you just put his 3bet % but he is 4betting anyways his fold to 3 bet is so low and his very aggro i believe shoving is EV+
Buy a pair of glasses
11-01-2008 , 08:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricky1231
Shove over this all day.
I like raise to $90. But shove is ok too.

      
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