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NL200 RUSH: Overpair turned into 2nd nuts calldown vs nit? NL200 RUSH: Overpair turned into 2nd nuts calldown vs nit?

03-24-2011 , 06:03 PM
    Full Tilt, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    UTG+2: $202 (101 bb)
    MP1: $204 (102 bb)
    MP2: $176.25 (88.1 bb)
    MP3: $200 (100 bb)
    CO: $258.50 (129.3 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $233.95 (117 bb)
    SB: $167 (83.5 bb)
    BB: $213.60 (106.8 bb)
    UTG+1: $73.40 (36.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q Q
    UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $6, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $6, 2 folds, Hero calls $6, 2 folds

    Flop: ($21) 4 J 3 (3 players)
    UTG+2 bets $12, MP2 calls $12, Hero calls $12

    Turn: ($57) 9 (3 players)
    UTG+2 bets $37, MP2 folds, Hero calls $37

    River: ($131) K (2 players)
    UTG+2 bets $88

    Spoiler:
    Results: $131 pot
    Final Board: 4 J 3 9 K
    UTG+2 mucked and lost (-$55 net)


    19/13 over 900. 2+2 poster. I think the HEM replayer is mixing in normal and rush because I could swear I saw 14/9 during hand. Nonetheless, we should just approach this opponent as a solid player.

    Pretty impossible for him to have worse for value. The only question on river is, is he turning xx into a bluff?
    03-24-2011 , 06:12 PM
    I don't know if the BB was a fish. SB may have been. Unknown if he will adjust his range accordingly if they are. I'm guessing he isn't, particularly because it's rush. On flop/turn I was thinking AsTx+ is a big part of his range - those combos and sets. On river he can really only have ATss, an unlikely AsTx, and more likely AsAx.

    Besides those combos, we're looking at all sets that are up in the air and kinda lost. If I was in his spot I could def be valuebluffing... $88 is quite a big blocker bet though... Additionally, he should know it will be really hard for me to call without As (if he's bluffing). Considering it's rush, there is no history, he's probably tight, he opened in EP - I shouldn't assume him turning his hand into a bluff is that likely of a scenario. so it's probably a fold.



    I'm bad at math and EV calcs... I need to be good 40% of the time to call right? I can't think of the frequencies for this spot... I'm thinking with no history I won't be good 40%....?
    03-24-2011 , 07:50 PM
    You have to be good 28% of the time and yes I call.
    03-24-2011 , 10:40 PM
    call
    03-25-2011 , 02:37 AM
    AA (s)? ditto ^^^^^
    03-25-2011 , 02:48 AM
    to the above posters: please enlighten me as to what value combos he can have? what bluff combos can he have? this hand is more than just "oh second nuts, call".

    maybe he had AsAx, maybe he didn't. It's irrelevant. I'd be thinking about this hand regardless of whether or not I called. It's actually a semi-interesting river spot to me.

          
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