why dont we just open fold QQ now UTG?

fyp.

4-bet push, spike a Q and bust his aces -- it's easy. People do it to me all the time! The only other factor I would consider here is what your stats are and how the rest of the table is playing. If you are raising a lot UTG and have shown down weak hands, that might factor in. Also, for the table, he reraised you immediately with the rest of the table still to act, which is a factor. There's no guarantee you're behind, but I think overall this is a money losing hand to continue with. You will still end up folding the best hand or calling with the worst too often to justify continuing. If you're ahead, you are not likely to make much more. If you're behind, you are likely to lose a lot more.
That said, if you call, you can't fold to a rag flop bet, though, IMO.

Wow am I glad I didn't grunch this! I would looked like an idiot!!!!

But seriously, I don't think calling is as bad as some of you are making out. I don't think we're even all that far behind his range... I'm more concerned with being OOP.

Shoving sucks. Folding is fine too.


Then again, I'm known as a super nit so regs are always trying to make me fold. Knowing hero's stats and history with this reg are pretty key imo.

what do you nits do with KK here fold that too?

calling is not bad at all

stack off and hate it.

Being ahead or being okay within villain's range and winning the hand (or making money with the hand overall) are two different things. You need a plan for postflop. C/R 10-high flop or less? B/F? C/F J, K, or A flop? I am curious to what the plan is for the people that are advocating flatting this. Saying to re-evaluate on the flop is not specific enough.

You definitely cannot flat here and push kk or aa.

OK, I fold here sometimes, but if I call its because I believe I compare favorably to villain's range. If I put him on JJ+, AK and flat, he's going to be betting his entire range on the flop, so my plan is to c/c a non-A flop. Basically.

I would push because if you suck out vs KK and type ty in the chat box you'll definitely put him on full blown monkey tilt and make easy money from him in subsequent hands.

you fool , buy HEM instead

i hope youre leveling, if thats the case please dont level in a strat thread theres enough actual bad advice already

Albert, could you post the stats you've been running, any history you have with this villain, and if you think he's got a decent idea of your UTG open range?

Don't be an idiot. A hand is only as strong as the situation dictates it is.

Example: I have 33 on 3s 5s 6s 7s and a tight opponent gets the money all-in for two pots more. What should I do?

shat4brains: You nits want to pitch a set?! Who set your fold button on rapid fire? Do you also fold the 4 of spades?

In OP's situation, QQ is a bluff catcher / set mine. The only difference between 77 and QQ here is that QQ has blockers. Unless there's history, he never plays a worse pair like this for value. Villain's range is AK/QQ+ and we're OOP.

lol there are plenty of people who will 3bet JJ and AK with villains stats. all im saying is calling isnt NEARLY as bad as all of you are saying. i guess i need to 3 bet utg raisers more if your folding QQ everytime

so whats your plan on the following flops genius, OOP with a 2.9 SPR

A 7 8

A K 3

J T 5

K J 4

all unders rainbow

monotone with a suit you have
monotone with a suit you dont have

I don't give 2 humps about the suit on the flop.

A 7 8 - check and usually fold

A K 3 - check and fold

J T 5 - check and eval, timing tells and bet sizing, recent history, and probably call

K J 4 - check and usually fold, and feel like an idiot for calling

Those are particularly bad flops. 983 is as likely as any of them, and I would call probably 90% or more on that flop.

c/c usually fold turn if bets
c/f
c/c 2 streets, decide based on river
c/c probably

yeah obviosly there are gonna be ugly flops when you call here that will cause for awkward/ tough decisions . but you shouldnt be sacraficing EV for the sake of making your decisions easier

Call zomg we have to protect what could be the best hand. We need to shovel all of our chips in asap!

id probably c/f KJ4 actually

This really stands out to me...wtf do we beat that bets two streets on this board. Also, it's pretty easy to make a decision on the river since the stacks should be around 0bbs.

also what i would do on those flops requires the postflop stats of this player since he isnt an unknown and is a reg

yeah nevermind about the eval river part im calling flop checking and calling turn (unless a or k) so many people make ******ed spewy bluffs in 3 bet pots its amazing and if you call QQ pre not being willing to get it in with an overpair is pretty bad

well we're against an 11/7 here and I think on average (esp. against this player) if you find yourself all in on this board it's not going to be +ev.