I never know If its more profitable to flat in this spot or to just 4b/get it in.

Im pretty sure getting it in is +EV, just not sure if its the highest EV.

This villian is 14/11 with a 5% 3bet, I have 350 hands on him and we didnt

play any big pots so far, so I have no other reads.

I guess my image is kinda important too in this spot: He should see me as a

Taggy player, mostly running in the 16/13 range, and I steal 45% I think.



Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Hold'em - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: $121.60
MP: $97.20
Hero (CO): $100.00
BTN: $119.00
SB: $102.20
BB: $217.75
UTG: $89.70

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with Q Q
3 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, BB raises to $11, Hero

The standard is to get it in. Flatting is fine, just have a good reason to do it.

Could you please give an example of factors that make calling the better option here?

I mean is it even possible to determine if calling could be better without more

info, or would you just always 4b here and only flat if you knew that, lets say

this guy

cbets 100% of his range in 3bet pots for example etc.

EDIT: Also, how different should we treat AK?

I hope my question was clear.

I've played exactly 14/11 over the last 400k hands

If you ask me getting it in here is not a good idea at all. This big 3bet oop smells of AA,KK or AK..

I'd just flat, hope for a queen and if you don't hit you're in position and should be able to find out pretty quick where you're opponent is at.

How different should you treat AK? AK is different because when you have an A and a K in your hand the odds are significantly reduced of your opponent holding AA or KK. Plus you have equity that villain may fold QQ. Even if villain holds KK vs ur AK u still have 30% equity.

350 hands really isn't enough to accurately say what his 3bet % is, tbh, but over a larger sample, I'd assume his range here (a resteal spot) is going to be wider than his overall 3bet %. As a default, I'd 4bet and get it in preflop for value. Also, this 3bet sizing is pretty standard vs a 3.5 open.

this is just imo but I think flat is better.

strengthen your flatting range so your not always weak.
If he is agro. 2/3 barreling is fairly common when your range for flatting in this spot is often weak/mid strength.
Most regs range for 3betting you in these positions are going to be polar.
if you haven't been 3betting or getting 3bet often by him then i think your basically getting him to fold his sooted trashy hands and get it in flipping when he does ship (mostly). What i mean is I don't see many 100nlTAGs with no history ship JJ here. so I feel your never getting it in real good.

I think AK is a bit different but basically the same idea, id ship AK more often but flatting must be good.

+1

+2 as long as this is 6max and not FR for some reason

Interestingly if I filter my last 200k hands at 200nl for times I've got QQ all-in preflop, if I adjust for EV then it looks like a pretty neutral EV play.

Even more interesting is that if I filter for AK, it's a steady loser.

Is that only when called, or does it include all the money you make when they fold?

It is with a filter set for "raise all-in preflop" and for "facing all-in preflop, called".

So it includes the money made when they fold to a 5bet shove, but not the money made when they fold to a 4bet.

Stats like this make me want to move to 6-max.

I've just filtered in for QQ where I 4bet and was not facing an all-in (on the assumption that most of the time you 4bet you either face a shove or fold). Adjusting for EV it's still fairly neutral (<2BIs above 0).

Yes, I like this, This are good reasons to flat for sure. Its prolly better until we have at least a little bit of history.


Ugh, this is sick Ron, will try to filter this in my DB as well.

I think he 3bet the max here, this is a PL table.

5% 3Bet is more than optimal..

so i will check if he 3bet light and if I found that he is so.. I will check his 4bet fold % if it's more than 60% the i will 4 bet light like 25.

if he calls or ships... fold and move on.. but u gained respect from him and his your 25BB.