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NL100: KQo bb vs button 3bet pot NL100: KQo bb vs button 3bet pot

02-02-2010 , 04:14 PM
Opponent was 13/7 over just 15 hands

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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UTG: $249.45
UTG+1: $386.30
UTG+2: $63.45
MP1: $139.75
MP2: $108.80
CO: $119.00
BTN: $166.60
SB: $54.50
Hero (BB): $109.70

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with K Q
6 folds, BTN raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero raises to $11, BTN calls $8

Flop: ($22.50) J K 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $25

Originally i just wanted to 3bet to make him fold, while at the same time having decent equity if called. This flop is a little difficult thou since its not the best board to get top pair on for KQ. i felt leading out would not get called by worse, and maybe shoved on by draws wich would make me fold?

how do you play this?
02-02-2010 , 04:17 PM
flat preflop. shove flop.
02-02-2010 , 04:25 PM
so you like checking first too?
02-02-2010 , 05:36 PM
I wouldn't be 3b'ing based on a 15 hand sample size, if his stats are somewhat accurate I don't expect this sizing to be indicative of weakness, smells like JJ based on my experience.
02-03-2010 , 05:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckyStraights
I wouldn't be 3b'ing based on a 15 hand sample size, if his stats are somewhat accurate I don't expect this sizing to be indicative of weakness, smells like JJ based on my experience.
as i like to create an aggressive image bettin is pretty standard imo
but the flop is definitely a cb
as played clear c/r
02-03-2010 , 05:34 AM
I think c/r is terribad
02-03-2010 , 09:21 AM
im a nit and would love some clarification as to why on earth anyone would 3b KQo oop HU?

EDIT: i've just had a second thought on this and perhaps the reason has something to do with preventing further blind steals? only thing i can think of..

isn't the only result awkward situations like this? what can you really flop that you're just fist pumping to get money in other than 2p or str8?

im a 13/9 while 18 tabling so i'm trying to avoid any situation like this but feel that even if i was single tabling i'd still just be folding pre...
02-03-2010 , 09:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by heinz spack
as played clear c/r
wahhh? we're putting in ~70% of our stack with TP2K and hoping for a fold? if he calls what next.. or are we CRAI with TP2K?

super confused..
02-03-2010 , 09:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by slowlane123
wahhh? we're putting in ~70% of our stack with TP2K and hoping for a fold? if he calls what next.. or are we CRAI with TP2K?

super confused..
shall we calldown on a wet board oop?
of course its a cb but op didnt so the 2nd best version is a c/r close before a c/f
and i think KQo is a standard 3bet against the bu
02-03-2010 , 09:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by slowlane123
im a nit and would love some clarification as to why on earth anyone would 3b KQo oop HU?

EDIT: i've just had a second thought on this and perhaps the reason has something to do with preventing further blind steals? only thing i can think of..

isn't the only result awkward situations like this? what can you really flop that you're just fist pumping to get money in other than 2p or str8?

im a 13/9 while 18 tabling so i'm trying to avoid any situation like this but feel that even if i was single tabling i'd still just be folding pre...
Profitable long term since the BTN will fold most of his OTB raising range. The higher the steal and fodl to 3B% the better.

If you do end up in a spot where you are called obv the spot is much tougher but firing flop will be another money maker on a lot of board textures as the button can't continue with a lot of his range that would flat 3B (AK, AQ, TT, JJ and sometimes QQ).

On this hand I think we should bet / fold flop as we have oozed stregth and any call or raise has us beat IMO. Bet/fold flop, Check/fold turn, check/fold river.
02-03-2010 , 09:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by slowlane123
im a nit and would love some clarification as to why on earth anyone would 3b KQo oop HU?

EDIT: i've just had a second thought on this and perhaps the reason has something to do with preventing further blind steals? only thing i can think of..

isn't the only result awkward situations like this? what can you really flop that you're just fist pumping to get money in other than 2p or str8?

im a 13/9 while 18 tabling so i'm trying to avoid any situation like this but feel that even if i was single tabling i'd still just be folding pre...
if the flop comes AT2 its perfect and u can cb and make the villain folds like 70% of the time
for a multitablin nit it maybe sucks but im playin 6 tables 600nl with ~22/17 and KQo in bvb is just like nutz
02-03-2010 , 09:35 AM
great replies from both of you and very valid points..

thanks for clarifying.. i can see why 3betting this can be long-term +EV
02-03-2010 , 10:14 AM
I b/f flop too, 3-betting the btn here isnt as bad as you think. KQ covers alot of his btn raising range so I think even if called, you will often take this pot down with a c-bet. I wouldnt make a habit out of it, however I think it is correct to show some fight from the blinds.

C/R looks fancy but, he's probably showing up with AK alot here and is he really gonna lay that down??
02-03-2010 , 01:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ohudac

C/R looks fancy but, he's probably showing up with AK alot here and is he really gonna lay that down??
ok im not familiar with the lowstakes but isnt AK bvb an insta 4betcall?!
i think hell have very often draws or nothin bc a mediocre hand would check behind
02-03-2010 , 01:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by heinz spack
ok im not familiar with the lowstakes but isnt AK bvb an insta 4betcall?!
i think hell have very often draws or nothin bc a mediocre hand would check behind
Yea you have a point, some people are scared money though and want to call with AK instead of shipping.
02-04-2010 , 01:26 AM
Quote:
ok im not familiar with the lowstakes but isnt AK bvb an insta 4betcall?!
yeah this is standard at 100NL too, and not only in blind vs blind.

as it turned out i ended up check/shoving into KJ.

at least this profes i can 3bet KQo in BB for value since im dominating his range and he also will flat with weaker holdings, and fold to tons of cbets.
02-04-2010 , 02:12 AM
3 betting is fine. as played i would fold now.

      
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