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08-10-2010 , 03:10 AM
CO in this hand is slickxxxster998 who is running 17/13/3. I think he's an idiot, he thinks the same about me, I suppose, plus he definetely thinks I'm bluffer. I C/R flop so that anyone who has a set here could define himself by pushing the hell out of his stack.
When the Ten comes on the turn I don't think it helped his range of combodraws that's why I bet. Now when he re-raises, I think that he's bad enough to slowplay a set or flopped straight on the flop, thus I fold. That's my thought process. Is there any mistakes in it?

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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Hero (UTG+1): $100.00
MP1: $76.00
MP2: $109.50
CO: $102.85
BTN: $40.05
SB: $101.50
BB: $69.65
UTG: $141.60

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG+1 with Q Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $3, MP1 calls $3, 1 fold, CO calls $3, BTN calls $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2

Flop: ($15.50) 6 5 7 (5 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets $4, BTN calls $4, BB folds, Hero raises to $17, MP1 folds, CO calls $13, BTN folds

Turn: ($53.50) T (2 players)
Hero bets $33, CO raises to $82.85 all in, Hero folds
08-10-2010 , 03:26 AM
Why is it bad of him to slowplay a set or straight IP? Your range probably only has 2 combinations for a flush draw. Does anyone think he ever plays a FD this way? He could have like TJd or ATd and decided to shove the turn with some FE so its one of those you are ahead but hes got a million outs or you are drawing dead. I fold.
08-10-2010 , 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by WIZARD0F0DDS
Why is it bad of him to slowplay a set or straight IP?
seriously?
08-10-2010 , 10:26 AM
I don't think you should CR flop in this situation, especially since you essentially did it for information, ended up paying too much for that information, and risked a free card in a multiway pot with a very threatening board. Next time lead with a pot sized bet, hoping to fold out the draws. A player with a set would likely raise (giving you that info much cheaper), and the straight will probably just call and then raise on the later streets. If I got raised on the flop by villain, who does not appear very aggressive, I would probably call and then check the turn.

I think we both agree that the queens are beat by the way he raised you on the turn, but if you would have checked it to him I wouldn't expect him to fire another barrel as a bluff, given his stats. Therefore, when he leads on the turn I fold.

Overall, I think anyone is bound to lose some $ with the queens in this situation, I just think you could have saved quite a bit by leading flop and checking turn and still come to the same conclusion.
08-10-2010 , 10:37 AM
he bet 4 dollars into a 15.50 flop pot? with a gazillion villains.
08-10-2010 , 12:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by booger369
he bet 4 dollars into a 15.50 flop pot? with a gazillion villains.
that, too
08-10-2010 , 12:21 PM
u raised too low. i think i call his push. but i dont like to fold. lets wait for the pros to come in and provide input.
08-10-2010 , 02:56 PM
this would look bad for the red line if we fold, so call
08-10-2010 , 03:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hochiminh
Flop: ($15.50) 6 5 7 (5 players)
5 Players.
Now comes this flop. It has no high cards so, assuming they cold-call pre with all pairs 22 through JJ (amongst other hands), makes a set for 30% of all pairs (amongst LOTS of other made hand stuff of course). Plus lots of hands like a draw plus one pair which aren´t too weak, either. Plus tons of two pair depending on their preflop calling standards.
4 Villains. All of them just called preflop and 3 of them have position on us.

How much is our hand really worth here?

I check this flop. If there is no-nonsense action coming from two players before it´s back to me, this is an auto-fold for me. A real bet and a call will suffice, barring total donkeys. If it´s just one player who bet I´ll ask who are they how do they play, do they understand position and if so which position do they have.
If, for instance, MP1 is kind of skilled and rather cautious and now makes a big bet, what range can we expect here?
08-10-2010 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tomrh3
this would look bad for the red line if we fold, so call
LOL, it made my day

But as u pkayed .. turn card T didnt change anything .. so if u raise the flop and lead the turn i think u have to call it.
08-10-2010 , 04:46 PM
Hes a nit, we have a pair in a full ring game vs brutal agression. Theres not really any point in even thinking here. Fold.
08-10-2010 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RKi
Hes a nit, we have a pair in a full ring game vs brutal agression. Theres not really any point in even thinking here. Fold.
As u said ... why do bet the turn then? jus c/f turn and "save" 33 $?
08-10-2010 , 05:53 PM
Call, seeing a 7 card straight is pretty rare, don't waste this chance
08-10-2010 , 06:08 PM
the nit bet 4 dollars into a 16 dollar pot in a multiway pot with the drawiest board. then he just calls our puny raise (compared to potsize) with one donk left to act who already put in money. does this scream monster to u guys? are hte nits u guys generalizing going to just call ur raise? given all these factors. the ones i kno start trying to build the pot, set this up to be 1v1.


theres only one hand i see ive seen get super slow played here by regs and thats 98diamonds. everything else is raising popping it big somewhere on the flop.

Last edited by booger369; 08-10-2010 at 06:15 PM. Reason: .
08-10-2010 , 11:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by springsteen87
Call, seeing a 7 card straight is pretty rare, don't waste this chance
villain has 3 cards or you know what river would have been?
08-11-2010 , 12:17 AM
I think c/f the flop is prob best
08-11-2010 , 02:46 AM
What I like is that you insult his intelligence, then take a line that costs a lot of money to get some information (I xraise so the idiot will shove a set 100%) which you then decide is useless (oh look, he didn't shove flop, but I still think he has a set).
08-11-2010 , 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by djkelly69
villain has 3 cards or you know what river would have been?
choose your own adventure
08-11-2010 , 05:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoSmeets
What I like is that you insult his intelligence, then take a line that costs a lot of money to get some information (I xraise so the idiot will shove a set 100%) which you then decide is useless (oh look, he didn't shove flop, but I still think he has a set).
Have you played with him? Oh, and I thought "idiot" was a poker term for a style of play, like reg, nit, fish, whale, moron, monkey etc. What I noticed is that you, Smeets, for some reason keep coming after me since 2009. You got a problem with russians or what? A russian vegan didn't let you smell her ****? Poor you. Now gtfo.

Given the size of his bet on the flop my C/R is practically a bet. But I should've c/f the turn. C/F the flop is super nitty for me.
08-11-2010 , 09:55 AM
нельзя играть c/r на доске с возможным стритом: y него стрит, сет, две пары, комбо дро, просто дро.... ты очень далеко позади его диапазона
08-11-2010 , 09:58 AM
lol
08-11-2010 , 01:17 PM
hochi smeets does have a point tho...

ur bet is pretty low and with the other player still in he probably will call with a variety of draws. ur contradicitng urself. u said u xraised to find out if he has a set. he took the action that u thought was weak. but u are going to check fold turn? so u accomplished nothing with ur xraise
08-11-2010 , 03:59 PM
Boogey, man, I've posted the hand because I knew I was wrong, so thanks to everyone who pointed that out.

RE Smeets' post it's not his analysis which I don't like or critisize, it's his bad attitude towards me, which I noticed from long ago. But nevermind
08-11-2010 , 11:19 PM
Agree we fold turn

Side point: silly 4 dollar bet notwithstanding if villain has straight ir set on flop iif I am him I like idea of smoothing your check raise. Your hand screams overpair to me when u do this. I'm willing to gamble the diamond cause I don't expect a flush draw and u only have 2 outs. I'd like value so I'd smooth heads up (cause at this point others have folded). I then wait for you to lead turn. This is possible. Of course betting just four to start is silly

No matter what I agree this player is prob an idiot
08-11-2010 , 11:32 PM
I actually don't know you at all, minus the fact that I recognize you as a reg/semi-reg at 100nl, so if I've been especially critical of you it's not because of anything personal I have against you. More likely it's that you have a habit of saying the sorts of things I'd be critical of.
IE calling other people idiots and then demonstrating your own flawed logic. I'm not a fan of anyone who calls someone else an idiot, but if you're gonna do it you'd better be head and shoulders smarter than the idiot.

      
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