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11-05-2009 , 02:38 PM
villain is 16/13/2.2 over 700 hands, solid winner over a large sample on PTR. Cbet- 67%

im floating this lowball flop here because villain is betting 100% of his range. my plan is to bet any card if checked to on the turn, and raise most scare cards or any diamond turn as well if bet into. luckily i get both.

i think his continuation range here is literally 55/KK/AA (maybe, but if hes continuing with AA i will valuetown him later on his overpairs). the K is a good barrel card for him so i think hes betting most of his range on the turn here too. good bluff??


Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $50.00
Hero (BTN): $100.00
SB: $50.15
BB: $75.00
UTG: $95.50
UTG+1: $125.60
MP1: $199.65
MP2: $19.50

CO posts a big blind ($1)

Pre Flop: ($2.50) Hero is BTN with T 9
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $4, 3 folds, Hero calls $4, 2 folds

Flop: ($10.50) 2 5 3 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $7, Hero calls $7

Turn: ($24.50) K (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $15, Hero raises to $43.50
11-05-2009 , 02:54 PM
Don't like. You could easily be trying to bluff a set here. Think turn raise is kinda comitting too.
11-05-2009 , 03:32 PM
if you dont like the bluff, what are you doing here?
folding to his cbet is weak IP, often he has absolutely nothing. folding after picking up a BDFD after he 2barrells an obvious scare card is weaker still. calling this turn seems bad, since if he decides to 3barrel we have to fold if we dont hit, plus were not getting paid by much if we take the obv. float and pick up a FD line.
11-05-2009 , 03:39 PM
i think it would be good if it wasn't an UTG open.
11-05-2009 , 03:40 PM
Fine as played. Even if the turn hits I don't see him shoving with one pair here. If he calls and you hit the flush he certainly pays you off and is all omg donkfish runner runner river no call no draw on flop wtf I pwn you later which as you said helps you down the road.
11-05-2009 , 03:44 PM
Quote:
i think it would be good if it wasn't an UTG open.
UTG+1 FWIW
11-05-2009 , 09:15 PM
We aren't really representing anything are we? We'd be raising sets/straights on the flop because there're a lot of scare cards that can come on the turn. Plus our draw on the turn is disgused since it's a backdoor draw.
11-05-2009 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Zenzor
i think it would be good if it wasn't an UTG open.
this.
11-06-2009 , 12:21 AM
k so are we advocating a call here?
11-06-2009 , 12:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WSOPorBUST
k so are we advocating a call here?
we are advocating a fold on the flop unless you were planing to bluff some turn cards if checked to
11-06-2009 , 04:14 AM
I should've said earlier I would just fold the flop
11-06-2009 , 04:21 AM
flop is pretty gross vs anyone who is even reasonable at playing poker

turn is probably fine because no one is even reasonable at playing poker
11-06-2009 , 04:30 AM
hm how many hands villian bets for value on this turn? looks like a great scare card to bet, depends if he`s vbetting like JJ or QQ here thinly, AK combinatoricly obv is a big part of his betting range here, he`d def cbet low flop with overs and Gutshot, i think our turn raise gets him off a loooot of hands and is fine, if he`s folding pairs vs "obvious setline". flop is meh - i`d prefer raising myself or folding with 90% folding probably
11-06-2009 , 05:16 AM
you say he cbets 100% of his range on this flop.... I don't think this is anywhere near true
11-06-2009 , 05:44 AM
Anyone folding preflop? If villian is a solid winner Im sure his UTG opening range is pretty solid and 9Tdd isnt doing so well vs that range?
11-06-2009 , 05:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by koadyawn
Anyone folding preflop? If villian is a solid winner Im sure his UTG opening range is pretty solid and 9Tdd isnt doing so well vs that range?
i fold preflop as well but 9Tdd does great against his range.
11-06-2009 , 07:09 AM
why do you fold preflop and give up your button IP with relatively deep stacks and great hand that makes straights flushes and sometimes even pairs that are good at showdown?
11-06-2009 , 08:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lancelott_
why do you fold preflop and give up your button IP with relatively deep stacks and great hand that makes straights flushes and sometimes even pairs that are good at showdown?
I think you can fold preflop and wait to do this against a non solid winning, non hand reading abc reg.
11-06-2009 , 08:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WSOPorBUST
UTG+1 FWIW
doesn't really make a difference. Full Ring Poker doesn't begin until the Hijack. The first 3 positions are for collecting rake ldo.
11-06-2009 , 08:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AFchung
i fold preflop as well but 9Tdd does great against his range.
it does. but you dont have too much steal equity against his range. and steal equity gives all the profit that a hand like 9dTd relies on.
11-06-2009 , 01:38 PM
the nittiness ITT is surprising me, how can we even consider folding T9dd here pf?? what should be out calling range here then, qq-aa, ak? thats ludicrous
11-06-2009 , 04:55 PM
call wide on the btn PF. very profitable with suited connectors.
11-06-2009 , 06:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WSOPorBUST
villain is 16/13/2.2 over 700 hands, solid winner over a large sample on PTR. Cbet- 67%

im floating this lowball flop here because villain is betting 100% of his range. my plan is to bet any card if checked to on the turn, and raise most scare cards or any diamond turn as well if bet into. luckily i get both.

i think his continuation range here is literally 55/KK/AA (maybe, but if hes continuing with AA i will valuetown him later on his overpairs). the K is a good barrel card for him so i think hes betting most of his range on the turn here too. good bluff??


Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $50.00
Hero (BTN): $100.00
SB: $50.15
BB: $75.00
UTG: $95.50
UTG+1: $125.60
MP1: $199.65
MP2: $19.50

CO posts a big blind ($1)

Pre Flop: ($2.50) Hero is BTN with T 9
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $4, 3 folds, Hero calls $4, 2 folds

Flop: ($10.50) 2 5 3 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $7, Hero calls $7

Turn: ($24.50) K (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $15, Hero raises to $43.50
dont try to bluff regs off of big hands, terrible decision.

fit or fold = printing money for u
11-06-2009 , 06:27 PM
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fit or fold = exploitable, winrate of .4bb/100
FYP

i cnt see him continuing with anything other than aa, kk, or 55. the ENTIRE rest of his range is folding. he showsdown 22% of the time, and FWIW i floated flop/stole turn three times this session vs villain.
11-06-2009 , 10:38 PM
better have a solid read on op to float flop with nothing but nothing

      
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