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02-09-2014 , 08:13 PM
Hi guys , new hand . this guy is 17/14 , 2.2 af 11% resteal from sb, and 10 % on sb vs CO especially.

I 4bet aqs from time to time ( like 1/3 ) but overall i think i have way more value in flatting and letting the implied odds do the work )

on the flop i check back because i feel i can't get 3 value street vs a weaker ace ( no dynamics yet , and he seems rather competent )
and he would cbet his draw 100 % of the time i guess , so no huge fear on a diamond . (65 % cbet )
Furthermore, it allows me to have a wider percieved range


So my main questions are :
- raise turn? ( taking value from his draws ? , even though i do not think he has so many because of the Ad )
- raise river ?

I felt like i would only getting paid by a better hand due to the possibility of a flushN







    Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BB: $451.77 (225.9 bb)
    UTG+2: $236.36 (118.2 bb)
    MP1: $156 (78 bb)
    MP2: $170.97 (85.5 bb)
    MP3: $259.87 (129.9 bb)
    Hero (CO): $277.50 (138.8 bb)
    BTN: $119 (59.5 bb)
    SB: $200 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A Q
    4 folds, Hero raises to $6, BTN folds, SB raises to $20, BB folds, Hero calls $14

    Flop: ($42) T 4 A (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($42) A (2 players)
    SB bets $26, Hero calls $26

    River: ($94) 3 (2 players)
    SB bets $58, Hero calls $58

    Spoiler:
    Results: $210 pot ($3 rake)
    Final Board: T 4 A A 3
    Hero showed A Q and won $207 ($103 net)
    SB showed 5 A and lost (-$104 net)
    02-09-2014 , 08:53 PM
    looks fine to me
    02-10-2014 , 04:09 AM
    The only thing you could have done differently is betting OTF, as played it looks good. It would be pretty ugly if you raise OTT or OTR and he 3bets, also he won't call with worse hands that often.
    02-10-2014 , 10:07 AM
    Perfectly played
    02-11-2014 , 06:18 PM
    Nah, don't raise turn. Obviously bet turn if checked to but let him spew. You're well enough ahead. Also like the call pre vs 4bet. nh
    02-11-2014 , 07:03 PM
    at full ring 90 percent of opponents play this hand this way 90 percent of time. would be curious to see if its that case in 6max (guessing not even close)
    02-11-2014 , 07:07 PM
    Not sure why this would be any different at 6m to fr. only place i imagine this is played different is if the stakes were x10 and it was regs with a lot of history. I play this the same at 6m, but i'm a nit at both. Saying that, what do we get value from at small stakes when we raise? Aj if that.
    02-11-2014 , 08:23 PM
    shove river
    02-11-2014 , 08:44 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pontylad
    Not sure why this would be any different at 6m to fr. only place i imagine this is played different is if the stakes were x10 and it was regs with a lot of history. I play this the same at 6m, but i'm a nit at both. Saying that, what do we get value from at small stakes when we raise? Aj if that.
    not to get overly stratty, but every ax is the same once we jam river
    02-11-2014 , 09:53 PM
    Thanks for the input guys.
    Maybe i'm not confident enough in my game ?
    02-11-2014 , 11:24 PM
    Pretty sure turn is a raise. If it wasn't a diamond i might lean towards call though.
    02-11-2014 , 11:40 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vinivici9586
    not to get overly stratty, but every ax is the same once we jam river
    I agree, that's why I don't know what we're getting value from when we jam river. I expect most villains to fold. Then again, that should indicate it's a great spot to bluff jam.
    02-12-2014 , 12:54 AM
    ya you're prob good more often vs me when i jam then when i call
    02-12-2014 , 04:51 AM
    Why can't we raise less than all-in?
    02-13-2014 , 08:09 PM
    Did not post strat in over a year probably but here we go.

    Think not betting flop is a mistake without a read. Why would he rather call turn (& river) than flop (& turn, & possibly river)? Surely he'd expect you to bet air&draws OTF, same as you expect him to bet his draws OTF. [Also why do you expect him to fold Ax to a triple in general and on this board in particular? If so it seems like printing money to barrel all your air as he has pretty much no triple calling range. Have not played SSFR in a looong time, hence the question]. If he is a ****** or on some high level then I can get behind checking, but I doubt this to be the case at 200FR.

    As played shoving turn seems awful. Raising river a bit thin, but his sizing looks like a big tell (unless he is at some sick level) so I don't mind jamming as I expect us to be behind here < 10% of time.
    02-13-2014 , 08:35 PM
    i agree with xela
    02-20-2014 , 01:16 PM
    you were doing well for over a year xela
    02-21-2014 , 05:51 AM
    agree with everything xela said, spot on
    02-21-2014 , 04:50 PM
    not betting flop is bad

    /onceayearstratpost
    02-27-2014 , 12:16 PM
    If you bet the flop do you suppose he calls? I ask because, if so, he's likely not to put you on the diamond draw when you then bet the turn and likely will call you there, as well, deciding instead that you've been representing the bigger ace while actually holding KK or QQ. It seems the path to a bigger payoff to me, though this may reflect the fact that I always prefer to be the bettor rather than the caller.
    03-19-2014 , 05:13 PM
    I don't like checking the flop for obvious reasons as with 10% 3bet range there are bunch of Ax bluffs to play check-call trying to catch our bluffs with KJ KQ QJ, so with checking the flop we are losing the chance to get opponent stack. If you are checking the flop, I won't be afraid of flush as most likely opponent would bet with any flush draw without pair and if Ad comes on turn we could safely exclude Ad2d combinations and similar hands which could be played with check-calling on flop, so i think value bet on river is a must! This way we could have middle pair 9х9d potentially turned into bluff.

          
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