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NL 100 villain raises turn after checking back paired flop NL 100 villain raises turn after checking back paired flop

02-13-2010 , 06:37 PM
Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
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MP: $107.25
CO: $103.55
BTN: $44.65
Hero (SB): $112.15
BB: $140.00
UTG: $71.00
UTG+1: $173.30

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with K 3
4 folds, BTN calls $1, Hero raises to $4.50, 1 fold, BTN calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.00) 5 T T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($10.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $8.25, BTN raises to $16.50,

Villain is 83/33 over 19 hands. On the flop my plan was to crai given stack sizes, but on the turn I don't know if we can call here. Also, if we do call what is our plan if a K rolls off?
02-13-2010 , 06:52 PM
What in God's name are you doing? Why do you raise preflop? Why do you check the flop? Were you taking a piss and your cat was stepping on the keyboard while you were gone? Now that you've butchered it, just call to flush up, but seriously, PicardWTF.jpg
02-13-2010 , 07:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
What in God's name are you doing? Why do you raise preflop? Why do you check the flop? Were you taking a piss and your cat was stepping on the keyboard while you were gone? Now that you've butchered it, just call to flush up, but seriously, PicardWTF.jpg
Yeah checking flop may be bad. What is wrong w/preflop though? I keep seeing this in dc vids but versus deeper stacked (60bb+) fish. Does him being halfstacked make this much worse, or are you just against raising these types of hands out of the blinds vs. lp open limpers? Also, if we're calling to flush up, does that mean we c/f K river?
02-14-2010 , 02:06 AM
I get that you're trying to punish the fish for limping, but don't raise them when you're oop & you know they're going to call (83 VPIP, hello). Him being a little short isn't good either. And if you're going to raise them pre then you have to c-bet here. Why is your plan to check-raise when they've shown no aggression & are probably very passive?
02-14-2010 , 06:04 AM
iso raise OOP vs fish is terrible, bet flop like 6 bucks and check behind all non flush turns. as played give the fish 8 more dollars call it a day.
02-14-2010 , 06:42 AM
fold pre, b/3b/shove flop, as played fold
02-14-2010 , 06:50 AM
I think ATC is right, your skill advantage doesnt really come to play with the low SPR you will have when he calls.Then youre OOP too and hes never folding postflop.If you were deeper its fine I think.
02-14-2010 , 10:19 AM
i dont see any skill advantage here..
02-14-2010 , 11:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomrh3
fold pre, b/3b/shove flop, as played fold
complete pre
02-14-2010 , 01:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SABR42
complete pre
Yes, I don't fold a sooted K from the SB here, but I sure as hell don't raise with it either. And villain doesn't even have much to stack off if you do hit your hand.

And if you're going to raise pf, how do you not c-bet at that flop??
02-14-2010 , 08:32 PM
Villains that limp on the button do not fold preflop. If you raise preflop with a junk hand like K3, you are putting $ into the pot with zero fold equity and now you have to play OOP against a tard in a pot that has suddenly grown to a size worth playing for.

Buy a paper shredder, and just throw your wallet into it. It would probably be more fun than playing for stacks with K3.
02-15-2010 , 05:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoAheadPutMeOnAK
Villains that limp on the button do not fold preflop. If you raise preflop with a junk hand like K3, you are putting $ into the pot with zero fold equity and now you have to play OOP against a tard in a pot that has suddenly grown to a size worth playing for.

Buy a paper shredder, and just throw your wallet into it. It would probably be more fun than playing for stacks with K3.
So it's bad even fullstacked? I see it advocated on dc vids vs. lp open limpers all the time (balugawhale and wiltontilt) when fullstacked? I don't know what to think. I can agree that halfstacked it's bad, but fullstacked too?
02-15-2010 , 05:56 AM
limping pre is fine against a huge fish, but playing a bloated pot OOP with this hand is ridiculous
02-15-2010 , 08:43 AM
I think the DC videos are F-ing with your game
02-15-2010 , 02:23 PM
yikes don't raise pre, just complete because you have a soooooooooooooted K
02-15-2010 , 02:34 PM
Here's a better way to play K3c from the blinds vs a fish who open limps otb.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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MP1: $100.00
MP2: $100.00
CO: $217.50
BTN: $57.55
SB: $100.95
Hero (BB): $113.90
UTG: $100.15
UTG+1: $113.60
UTG+2: $97.85

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with K 3
6 folds, BTN calls $1, SB calls $0.50, Hero checks

Flop: ($3.00) 2 K A (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($3.00) 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, BTN folds, SB folds

Final Pot: $3.00
Hero mucks K 3
Hero wins $2.85
(Rake: $0.15)
02-16-2010 , 03:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Were you taking a piss and your cat was stepping on the keyboard while you were gone?
Awesome.
02-16-2010 , 05:30 PM
OP, default is obv to cbet, but you did fine assuming you had some read that he a) cannot value bet very well or b) likes to take stabs when others "show weakness". As played, just take the pot odds on the turn. if you get to showdown and he shows you something like 56o that clearly raised the turn for a cheap showdown, then you know next time to ship it in on the turn (assuming theres enough behind to get him to fold obv), but as a default you should assume he just slowplayed Tx

dunno why everyone is flipping out on you? prob because they aren't confident enough in their postflop game to make this play preflop, but it doesn't mean you can't/shouldn't.

WoT
02-16-2010 , 06:19 PM
u should read slansky NLHE Alex.

complete >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>raise
02-16-2010 , 06:32 PM
i dont watch the dc vids but im going to assume most likely they advocate it when both u and fish are greater then 100bbs

      
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