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06-15-2008 , 03:41 PM
Hero has been playing a few hours and been getting rivered by multiple straights and flushes, and table may be noticing his tilty-ness.

Comments on all streets welcome

Hero has ~ 400, villain ~ 130

folds to villain in MP, villain calls 4, hero raises in CO w/ 78 to 12, blinds fold, villain calls

Q78

Villain checks, hero bets 20, villain calls

J

Hero puts villain solidly on flush draw now, only because live players will never fold a FD. Hero bets 50, villain calls

4

Villain shoves last 45

I am getting ~ 4:1 here, but is this always the flush?

reads: villain has called big bets before with 2nd pair or TPWK and had made 1 bluff bet on the river previously. Younger, douchey looking guy with sideways hat and earring.
06-15-2008 , 04:21 PM
Its a flush. I call. I'm bad at poker.
06-15-2008 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by steamypile
Hero has been playing a few hours and been getting rivered by multiple straights and flushes, and table may be noticing his tilty-ness.

Comments on all streets welcome

Hero has ~ 400, villain ~ 130

folds to villain in MP, villain calls 4, hero raises in CO w/ 78 to 12, blinds fold, villain calls

Q78

Villain checks, hero bets 20, villain calls

J

Hero puts villain solidly on flush draw now, only because live players will never fold a FD. Hero bets 50, villain calls

4

Villain shoves last 45

I am getting ~ 4:1 here, but is this always the flush?

reads: villain has called big bets before with 2nd pair or TPWK and had made 1 bluff bet on the river previously. Younger, douchey looking guy with sideways hat and earring.
Does he only have one earring? If so, snapcall!

Seriously though...I suck at pokers as well and I'd call.

Was there a straddle in this pot?
06-15-2008 , 07:03 PM
I saw that is was SL from your other post, so nevermind the straddle question.

What about making it 15-18 pf, and more on the flop and turn? He'd pretty much have to shove the turn,or be left with like 25 on the river. Either way it doesn't really matter. This isn't always the flush, but more often it is. It also coule be a straight. I don't know why he'd wait to get it AI until the river unless he had T9s or 56s
06-16-2008 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lewdjunglist
I saw that is was SL from your other post, so nevermind the straddle question.

What about making it 15-18 pf, and more on the flop and turn? He'd pretty much have to shove the turn,or be left with like 25 on the river. Either way it doesn't really matter. This isn't always the flush, but more often it is. It also coule be a straight. I don't know why he'd wait to get it AI until the river unless he had T9s or 56s
I agree that optimally I would get all his money in on the turn and try to manipulate the pot to get it there...however preflop it would essentially be making it 15-18 into a pot of ~ 6 (blinds + 4), doesn't that seem a little high?

On the flop, I almost bet the pot, if I overbet it to more like 35 to set up a turn shove (barring spades), will I really be called by hands I beat?
06-16-2008 , 02:13 PM
raise more preflop, flop and turn and both good, call river even though you're probably beat (but you're good here slightly more than 20 %)
06-16-2008 , 02:14 PM
your bet sizing on flop and turn was good. the only reason i say more preflop is you want him to FOLD preflop, and making it only 12 forces him to CALL preflop.
06-16-2008 , 02:17 PM
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I like a raise to about 20 here. He's likely to pay you off with weaker overpairs, and he can't really put you on a hand as strong as QQ.
you won't be called by hands you beat except Q9 to QA. the thing people at these forums don't understand is you can't always bet 1/2 on your bluffs and overbet the pot with your made but vulnerable hands because then you become super exploitable. you did the right thing by betting normal.
06-16-2008 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by popoko42
you won't be called by hands you beat except Q9 to QA. the thing people at these forums don't understand is you can't always bet 1/2 on your bluffs and overbet the pot with your made but vulnerable hands because then you become super exploitable. you did the right thing by betting normal.
I think this is in the wrong thread, BUT, I don't worry very much about being exploitable at low limit live games. You don't play the same people often enough, and your opponents don't pay attention enough (or even know how) to exploit you. In these circumstances you can just play straightforward making the best move for the situation.
06-16-2008 , 11:30 PM
Actually the raise here preflop isn't very good. There's a shortstacked player who's already shown interest in the hand. Not a great place to play a suited connector.

      
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