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08-30-2011 , 03:34 AM

vmarqui

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($100)
MP1 ($30.50)
MP2 ($82.05)
CO ($152.55)
Button ($40)
SB ($130.90)
Hero (BB) ($169.30)
UTG ($153.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

, K

3 folds, MP2 calls $1, CO bets $4, 2 folds, Hero raises to $13, 1 fold, CO calls $9

Flop: ($27.50) 9

, Q

, K

(2 players)
Hero bets $17, CO raises to $40, Hero calls $23

Turn: ($107.50) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $52, Hero raises to $116.30 (All-In), CO calls $47.55 (All-In)

River: ($306.60) A

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $306.60 | Rake: $3

villain is 12/9 reg, 1.5 agg, pretty straightforward

08-30-2011 , 03:44 AM

SABR42

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just call pre, especially if limper is bad

08-30-2011 , 03:57 AM

RAW_FORCE

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SABR42

just call pre, especially if limper is bad

+1, folding to flop raise is probably best as played but not like anyone is ever going to do that

08-30-2011 , 04:02 AM

hurt

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i can't emphasize how bad 3betting this is.

fold the flop - there are no combo draws, he can't really have any lower 2 pairs, you're crushed against a range of KQ/JTs/99 and even more crushed if he can have KK/QQ, you're oop deep and i don't think nits bluffraise this board very often at all.

Last edited by hurt; 08-30-2011 at 04:08 AM.

08-30-2011 , 04:13 AM

SABR42

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I think I call once and then fold turn and hate life.

We have 4-outs to improve, and if villain is bluff-raising the flop he's probably making a 1-barrell play and shutting down once we call.

But pre-flop is just awful.

08-30-2011 , 11:26 AM

Glanza_Mike

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I agree with everyone about flatting pre, i take it MP2 is a fish so why would you iso yourself into a pot OOP with a somewhat solid reg?

I can't really imagine any hands we beat on a flop like this when a nitty player raises us, he has 99 or QQ almost every single time imo.

Last edited by Glanza_Mike; 08-30-2011 at 11:27 AM. Reason: Obvs can have J-10s as well ldo

08-31-2011 , 06:27 AM

JLBorloo

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lol we're so toasted on the flop it's not fun... time to hero fold

08-31-2011 , 02:01 PM

MPHansen

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like a buncha ppl said preflop just shows a huge lack of understanding of some real basic stuff

08-31-2011 , 04:59 PM

vmarqui

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i know preflop is bad for gods sake, but what do you do as played?

08-31-2011 , 05:11 PM

#10

Gary_Neville

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As played? Postflop was already played out in OP, but I think I just call flop and fold turn.

09-01-2011 , 03:11 AM

#11

wallpe

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As played i 4bet shove flop, and hate me for beeing a donk.
ez game for v

09-01-2011 , 04:53 AM

#12

Sdgullsfan84

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I don't get the check raise all in on the turn when you could have just got it all in on the flop?

I will never understand the mentality of so many online players who raise these kinds of hands from the blinds... KQs is not a hand I want to wind up getting all my money in with.

Call pre, re-raise flop, Stack off against lucky JT. Of course, most JT would slowplay this rainbow flop in position, so it's extremely likely you're ahead.

09-01-2011 , 01:18 PM

#13

hurt

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vmarqui

i know preflop is bad for gods sake, but what do you do as played?

what are you talking about, you got like 6 responses on postflop

09-01-2011 , 02:12 PM

#14

vmarqui

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sdgullsfan84

yeah, check/raising flop sucks but meh, i'm committed on river anyway.

09-02-2011 , 03:34 AM

#15

RAW_FORCE

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well tell us which version of the nuts he had already!

09-02-2011 , 11:51 AM

#16

ITAkenny

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a player with a 1.5 agg has always the nuts or close to the nuts.
this kind of players are never drawing, and in this spot i know is +EV folding bottomset and 2pair.

if you are playing against a nit, be the nittest when he raise

and bluff a lot vs this guy ( when he's not raising to you ).

09-02-2011 , 11:52 AM

#17

hurt

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RAW_FORCE

well tell us which version of the nuts he had already!

when JT makes the nuts...

09-02-2011 , 03:17 PM

#18

vmarqui

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99 :P

09-02-2011 , 03:19 PM

#19

isunkurbttlship

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wow 99 seems bad

09-04-2011 , 02:16 AM

#20

DukeMuscle

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hurt

when JT makes the nuts...

Hey hurt, I know what you're saying, but I doubt everyone (especially OP) knows what you mean. Care to elaborate for the peanut gallery?

09-04-2011 , 02:30 AM

#21

hurt

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just a 2p2 meme or close to it, "when JT makes the nuts, fold" or "when JT makes the nuts, they have it" or w/e.

i did think JTs was by far his most likely hand though. JTs is 4 combos, 99 is only 3 and might not raise, QQ/KK only 1 each and downweighted because of preflop.

09-04-2011 , 05:05 AM

#22

vmarqui

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i thought it was something like "on a multiway pot, when someone stars going aggressive on a board where JT are the nuts, the have it".

09-04-2011 , 05:22 AM

#23

RAW_FORCE

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vmarqui

"on pot, where JT are the nuts, the have it".

fyp

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