button is nit less than 2% 3b but is 6% from the button

8/4/ 3 AGG factor but who cares only playing good hands

So, when checked to on the turn can't see AA doing this the board has to look harmless plus flush draw coming. Although a raise on the river would make me sick.


Any over pair would call a river bet and there is only one I'm scared of so?


Value bet river after turn check back?

Did you take even 10 seconds to think about this hand before posting it?

raise flop!

no not a second that is why I wrote my thought process before the hand. I didn't feel comfortable getting in stacks pre so that is why I played the hand as is. If your not going to give advice why bother replying.

sample size? Yes value bet the river.

I replied because given the very limited information you provided, value betting river seemed pretty obvious. I also probably bet it rather large. Turn check back is usually a one and done with AQ+ or a pot control check with like TT+...nits gonna nit. Since the AQ+ isn't calling unless it rivers a flush, we want to charge the TT+ hands the maximum. However, hard to make assumptions without having a better picture of the sample size. 2% overall 3bet but 6% on the button leads me to think your sample is probably not all that large. Same thing with the 8/4 vpip/pfr.

My point was more that it didn't seem like you put any thought in to why we should be betting, or villains range, or what we expect to happen if we bet vs checking the river to him, or what our overall plan is starting preflop through the river. Did you have a plan from the hand from the get go, or just kind of make decisions as you moved along through the hand without really considering where you were going to end up?

Also, posting stats is one thing, but it's also helpful if you post the range you assign villain when making these decisions or considering them, and how that range refines as actions occur on flop turn and river. 8/4 preflop doesn't necessarily say what you think villains hand range is on the river after action and the way the board peels off. Additionally, if you take the time to actually type/write out a range, you can then do things like plug it in to poker stove, or use it to help determine what kind of betsizing you'll decide to use in a given situation.

The details you gave were extremely sparse at best with no information on any history you and villain may have or any other hands you've seen him show down or any notes you might have on him. That, and stating 'being raised on the river would make me sick' really shouldn't factor in to your decision set and isn't really pertinent to what's going on with the hand in any way shape or form.

I'm no poker savant, I'm struggling to just break even at 100 right now, but even I can usually supply more to work with than what you did, which is why I asked if you actually thought about the hand at all before posting it.

Better?

I really dislike the call pre. If he's 3betting 6% from BTN, well its likely going to be even bigger after a CO open, you are doing fine against his range and you'll be doing fine against a stackoff range of something like QQ+ and AK. Particularly if you have a properly constructed 4bet range that includes some bluffs. The alternative, playing the hand OOP, letting him hit better hands for cheap some percetantage of the time / letting him get away cheaply when he misses / struggling with likely value spots such as what you posted, is not nearly as good imo.

yeah value bet the river, he cant have AA/xcxc. bet ~$25
also id get it in pre

Thank you that is obviously better and wouldn't expect that in depth of a response typically. My thinking was that his range I assigned villain was apparent from not getting in pre- as a 8/4 probably doesnt 3bet JJ or QQ here (I'm wrong here apparently). I was planning on pot control as sick as that sounds. I hadn't had any real hands of significance with the villain so didn't mention it. Upon reading your and other responses.I also agree that it an easy (obvious) value bet once he checks the turn

I do appreciate you taking the time to offer a thoughtful reply and critique. Thank you.