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I threw up on the river. F**K! F**K! F**K! I threw up on the river. F**K! F**K! F**K!

02-04-2011 , 12:36 PM
PokerStars - $1 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Almost no hands on villain but was definately TAG, reggish. Looking at it now, i guess i should have bet more on turn maybe? Any thoughts?

BB: $141.45
UTG: $119.30
UTG+1: $71.85
MP: $114.65
MP+1: $103.00
LP: $72.75
CO: $74.70
BTN: $100.00
Hero (SB): $126.70

Hero posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero has 6 6

UTG raises to $3.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $2.50, fold

Flop: ($7.00, 2 players) Q 6 Q
Hero checks, UTG bets $2.50, Hero raises to $10.00, UTG calls $7.50

Turn: ($27.00, 2 players) 2
Hero bets $19.50, UTG calls $19.50

River: ($66.00, 2 players) K
Hero bets $42.00, UTG raises to $86.80 and is all-in, HERO??? I litterally smashed my headphones in the wall. Can we fold this?
02-04-2011 , 12:44 PM
fold pre, odds are too good for me to fold now since we dont know 100% that he is a reg or anything
02-04-2011 , 12:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RAW_FORCE
fold pre, odds are too good for me to fold now since we dont know 100% that he is a reg or anything
nothing to add to this
02-04-2011 , 12:50 PM
You have two choices on this river :

- bet smaller/fold,
- shove.

Your sizing is very bad, cause he is freeroling you when you are behind and losing the minimum when you are ahead. Here, you're never good, but you can't fold : do you see your mistake ?
02-04-2011 , 01:04 PM
I agree with raw_force, but as played u should probably have potted the turn. And river is just rank, almost never good but probably have to call anyway.
02-04-2011 , 01:05 PM
I'd bet more on the turn tbh to set up better stack sizes. He's never/very rarely folding a queen or a flush to a turn bet that's PSBish compared with what you bet.

Maybe you can get a few hands (JJ/TT types w heart or Ah6x) to call your size versus a PSB--but those are the only ones I can figure.

Edit: Mike beat me to the post button!
02-04-2011 , 01:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RAW_FORCE
fold pre, odds are too good for me to fold now since we dont know 100% that he is a reg or anything
Folding pre would definately have saved me some $$ ya. What should our calling range be though?
02-04-2011 , 01:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NikolaiNikolai
Folding pre would definately have saved me some $$ ya. What should our calling range be though?
The problem with calling pre here is you're going to be oop vs a utg raiser who presumably has a very strong range and will be cbetting very often. 66 is a hand that really cant pick up any equity except when it hits a set so youre probably just going to be c/f a lot or putting in more when behind if you call one
02-04-2011 , 02:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SA16
The problem with calling pre here is you're going to be oop vs a utg raiser who presumably has a very strong range and will be cbetting very often. 66 is a hand that really cant pick up any equity except when it hits a set so youre probably just going to be c/f a lot or putting in more when behind if you call one
This is very sensible so what range are you defending vs utg?
02-04-2011 , 02:22 PM
tank/shove flop
02-04-2011 , 03:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by peche025
This is very sensible so what range are you defending vs utg?
Depends a bunch on how tight/loose the pfr is. But say you know/estimate his range to be like 55+/AQ+ which is really tight but 6.9%. Obviously 66 doesn't do well against this since youre behind all his pairs but one or he has overs. Say you have something like 99 instead, now you beat some of his pairs that he likely will cbet into you for a street of value and such. It just helps to have something with some postflop possibilities, like maybesome SC's, suited broadways etc...things that you're not so reliant on hitting a very small percentage on the flop to continue with.

Play around with pokerstove looking at how hands fair vs varying ranges
02-04-2011 , 03:21 PM
He bet less on the flop than he did pre, which is very suspicious. To me, it indicates he really liked the flop and wants you to call. With AA, KK, or JJ, he probably would have bet more on the flop and checked with QQ. My guess is he has a Q or maybe AK hearts. $152 in the pot and only $44 more is almost 3.5:1 odds. You have to call it. Yes, he might have hit a boat with KK or KQ, but its also possible he has AQ, AK, AA, JJ, etc.

I agree that you should have folded pre in the SB to an utg raise
02-04-2011 , 11:20 PM
Ignoring the fold pre for a sec

Why are you check/raising flop?
02-04-2011 , 11:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jasons0147
Ignoring the fold pre for a sec

Why are you check/raising flop?
I think the checkraise is fine here. So many players will say to themselves, "Qx is such a narrow part of his range, he's more likely to have F draws/air or a mid PP raising to see where he's at so I call."
02-04-2011 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 13_Xerxes
you're never good, but you can't fold : do you see your mistake ?
Does not compute, do you see your mistake?
02-04-2011 , 11:39 PM
Yea Im confused, has got to be the easiest fold ever after the way we played our hand
02-04-2011 , 11:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 13_Xerxes
Here, you're never good, but you can't fold : do you see your mistake ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by NL__Fool
Does not compute, do you see your mistake?
+1. That's illogical to the point of ridiculous.
02-05-2011 , 12:35 AM
he got dem qq-q u a d s-qq
02-05-2011 , 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SA16
Depends a bunch on how tight/loose the pfr is. But say you know/estimate his range to be like 55+/AQ+ which is really tight but 6.9%. Obviously 66 doesn't do well against this since youre behind all his pairs but one or he has overs. Say you have something like 99 instead, now you beat some of his pairs that he likely will cbet into you for a street of value and such. It just helps to have something with some postflop possibilities, like maybesome SC's, suited broadways etc...things that you're not so reliant on hitting a very small percentage on the flop to continue with.

Play around with pokerstove looking at how hands fair vs varying ranges
Sorry if i hijack the thread abit but, i probably call utg openers close to 100% with 66 here, just to setmine / playback on the right boards. Should this be considered a leak?
02-05-2011 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by KOJAK175
Sorry if i hijack the thread abit but, i probably call utg openers close to 100% with 66 here, just to setmine / playback on the right boards. Should this be considered a leak?
Yes and a huge one. If they have a tight range its going to be hard for you to continue when you dont have a set and when you do make a set your not always going to get paid off and one when they have a loose range your not going to get paid off enough when you make a set because there range isnt wide enough.

I rather have 67s then 66 vs the average SSNL reg's UTG opening range
02-05-2011 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jasons0147
Yes and a huge one. If they have a tight range its going to be hard for you to continue when you dont have a set and when you do make a set your not always going to get paid off and one when they have a loose range your not going to get paid off enough when you make a set because there range isnt wide enough.

I rather have 67s then 66 vs the average SSNL reg's UTG opening range
Pretty much exactly what I was getting at. You (the other guy, don't remember his name) said play back on "the right boards" The problem with that is for 66 getting "the right board" to play back on is rare, plus you are playing back into a strong range
02-05-2011 , 02:04 PM
Raise on flop is fine. You're repping narrow and the FD might cause him to shove overs. You don't have many Qx in your range anyway, standard. You prefer to call down then be one of those annoying timebank shove river people so he can insta B/F an overpair? I'd always raise this flop.

Moar on turn and shove a favourable river.

or B/F river for like 27.

You don't really beat anything so as played I fold but I know I'm folding before I bet river.

He had KxKh?
02-05-2011 , 02:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NikolaiNikolai
River: ($66.00, 2 players) K
Hero bets $42.00, UTG raises to $86.80 and is all-in, HERO??? I litterally smashed my headphones in the wall. Can we fold this?
I hope you broke really expensive headphones, clicked call, and saw AKhh
02-05-2011 , 02:18 PM
and obv just size turn better then shove riv
02-05-2011 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by MaliceUW
I hope you broke really expensive headphones, clicked call, and saw AKhh
They didn't brake. WIN.

But ya, he did have KK and i lost another $40.

Ty for response guys!

      
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