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saw flop|saw showdown

CO ($76.80)
Button (villain) ($364.90)
SB ($104.50)
BB ($178.35)
UTG ($100)
UTG+1 ($32.05)
Hero ($278.25)
MP2 ($93.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[], K[].
2 folds, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, Button (villain) raises to $9, 2 folds, Hero raises to $20, Button (villain) calls $11.

Flop: ($41.50) A[], 5[], A[] (2 players)
Hero checks, villain bets $33, Hero calls $33.

Turn: ($107.50) T[] (2 players)
Hero checks, villain bets $311.9 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $419.40

Some players on table didn't agree with my fold after i told them my hand.

After the flop and bettings so far, I see villain on:
AK: 40% (4 distributions left)
QQ: 40% (4)
KK: 10% (1)
AA: 10% (1)
So I lose half time, tie 10% and win 40%.

To me, the turn bet most likely reveals AK, but 2 things make me wonder if i read it well though:

1/ according to his profile (42/15/3 full ring) and what I observed, villain is very wild and has the bulls to make such a bet with QQ (and he knows it is very unlikely I have AK regarding my bets preFlop)
2/ there is no draw at all on board, so why shoving with so much money to take (we both were very deep stack)

Unfortunately villain didn't tell his hand.

Simple question: you fold (like me) or you call?

(BTW, I think now I should have 3-bet more preFlop but i don't think it would have changed anything...)

lol full ring wut?

wtf is going on in this hand

Make your 4bet much bigger pre-flop. You're deep, OOP, against a fish. Get money in the middle. That changes the whole nature of the hand. As-is, you're giving him good odds to see the flop with all sorts of stuff.

You have a bluff catcher. Is he bluffing often enough? Very unlikely.

The 4bet size is horrible, you're giving him terrific implied odds to call with a wide range, and consequentially the range that you're assigning to him is too small. There are many more aces in his range than just AK, not to mention TT and 55.

As played I really don't think you can call the turn, he just isn't bluffing enough to make it profitable.

I agree my 4bet was not big enough.

I give him roughly 1 to 2.5 odds to call, and, for the range he might call with (even wider than what i suspected at first), he is beetween a 1 to 2.3 and 1 to 4.5 underdog. So let's say I should have reraised maybe $27 instead of $20 giving him 1 to 2.

With KK, I don't try to chase him out. I am happy if he calls, especially if he calls with a lower pair like TT or 55 as someone said. And at this level, a lot of 3-bet are made with AA when I have KK... (it occured to me twice this day

So you are all right but I wouldn't qualify my 4bet as horrible, but just a little wrong.

And yes, villain would often call a much larger bet even maybe with TT (to be honest, I realized who was my opponent after my 4bet, thats the problem when you play on 6 tables :-(

But still, I dont understand his shove and yes I have seen him bluffing (but to smaller stack):
Ax: he fears 2 outs at most
TT or 55: he fears 2 outs and how can he be sure I don't have AA (even if it is unlikely, my preFlop bet smells AA or KK, maybe QQ)

He might play like a fish preFlop, but he is not going to shove without reading my range!

My conclusion: he had AK and decided I shouldnt draw to a full house with my possible QQ hand. I would have bet much less for the same result but this is not the way this kind of player thinks.

Anyway thanks for replies guys, I won't forget that betting more preFlop would make my life much simpler post flop (even if i am not sure agst this kind of player...) and to confirm me about my turn play

While this is true, it's also completely irrelevant because there is still a lot of money to be bet. While he doesn't have the directs odds to call with a hand like 55 if he gets lucky and hits his third 5 he stands to win a big pot. By making him call $11 into a pot of $30 he only has to win another $80-90 roughly to make up for the times he doesn't flop well and has to fold - with stacks this deep that should be easy.

Yes, when you have the best hand to want to call, and it would be a "mistake" for him to do so. But only a "mistake" that costs him $11. When he does improve, say by hitting a set, he'll be able to play a big pot and make you make a mistake that costs a lot more than $11. So it becomes a winning play for him to call pre-flop.

You're not wrong. Overbetting this much is a mistake if he does have a strong hand, but it's also a mistake if he's bluffing as he could get you fold just as often with a smaller bet. You can't assume that everyone plays correctly all the time.

Also if you assume that every large bet is a bluff, you become very easy to play against. Your opponents can just wait for a big hand and bet big - not only do they win they win a lot. On the other hand if you tend to fold to big bets then your opponents may bluff at you more often, but the times you do have a big hand they will lose a larger amount, so you make it harder for them.

fold than break something....

4-bet bigger preflop, flop and turn are fine. His turn overbet is AK or a boat like 99% of the time.

Bet more preflop and bet/fold the flop.

easy fold on turn.

As played, fold on turn.

I would have 4bet higher PF(sorry to sound like a broken record) and then when the Aces came on the flop - i would have played it carefully, hoping to check it down to the showdown.

Chance he has an A in his hand is very likely, so KK becomes less attractive to me.