Villain is 15/12/2.3 cbet 100% (1) less than 100 hands at the time

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 349687
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UTG: $237.10
UTG+1: $202.00
MP1: $175.40
MP2: $382.35
CO: $212.30
BTN: $213.55
Hero (SB): $194.00
BB: $309.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is SB with K Q
4 folds, CO raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $5, 1 fold

Flop: ($14.00) Q 6 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $10, Hero calls $10

Turn: ($34.00) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $26, Hero calls $26

River: ($86.00) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Obviously I'm check/calling the river. Should I bet the river, instead?

3-bet pre IMHO. If you are going to play this oop then you are better to have control over the betting. As played I probably try to do something for value before we get to the river but it's never easy as he'll not go nuts with <QJ against check-raises and the likes.

i dont think u should bet the river.

hate this for a variety of reasons. It's like you're saying it'll be easier to play if we 3b and that's not a good reason to do anything.

playing KQo OOP in a 3bet pot is not the way to pokerz glory.
im fine with check calling all the way here

Sorry but KQ crushes most 15/12/2.3's CO attack range and will still be in excellent shape against their 3-bet calling range provided your not a total 3-bet nit. I'll happily 3-bet KQ for value.

I could go on for ever about why I disagree with this Ace. There are way too many other variables in the mix and if I were to make a blanket statement about playing KQo from the blinds it 1000000% certainly wouldn't be to 3 bet it.

Why, what's his calling range? If it's QQ+ and AK+ (i.e. a nightmare range for our KQ) then we should be 3-betting pretty much every steal this guy makes until he adjusts that range. God, if you can't 3-bet KQ for value against a player like this opening the CO then there is something pretty wrong with your 3-bet ranges and meta.

agreed, but if our goal is to win right there then why not just do this with all our 72o hands and play our marginal hands for the value of the hand.
at least we wont be dominated most of the time when we do hit a hand if were doing it with pure junk

Yeah, sometimes I 3bet, sometimes not. I think 3betting is slightly better against loose stealers, because I will get folds so often, but close enough that I like to vary my play.

This player is a little bit unknown so I 3bet less in these situations because I think it is harder to play well oop in a big pot against an unknown.

Ace, it's not about being ahead of their calling range in equity terms, it's about domination. KQ just doesn't dominate enough of villain's calling range. maaaaayyybbbee qj and kj but that's about it. Also, a 15/12 isn't likely to be defending nearly as often as you would think. They will however be opening a ton in the steal spots. I'd rather flat kq and get a chance to play against the K9 and QT's in villain's range while also playing flops very aggressively.

Would you c/r this flop ricky?

ill pm you about it

You played it fine

Cool.

Guess the rest of us just aren't cool enough to hear about flop c/r.

I personally don't like to c/r this. I don't have any quantifiable reason other than that it seems to turn out badly for me.

This is yuk, Even in a vacum I wouldn't 3 bet KQo here, theres a ton of other factors to consider

It's kind of hard to comment on whether OP should ch/r the flop or not because we don't know how the villain perceives OP, because of that we don't know what villain will call a ch/r with versus OP, don't know what villain's DB frequency is, etc. As a standard, against an unknown TAG, ch/calling is ok and your line is fine.

And as to the 3bet argument, against almost all 15/12's it's a bad 3bet, especially an unknown.

i call pre.
i c/r this flop too. my reasoning is range. he is stealing. His range here is wiiiiiiiiiiiide. there is no way you can profitable call here three streets against anybody half competent. also his flop calling range has a lot of good kings (KJ, KT) atleast one street. and probably all draws. so there is value in c/r here. I am not sure if i call a jam or what to do. villian dependent, but mostly the answer is yes.

c/r just because his range is wide is not a good reason to c/r with TPGK DUCY?

If the assumption is that a 3-bet folds out too many of the hand KQ dominates then a check-raise at any point post-flop with TPTK will achieve the same thing. Therefore, if the assumption that villain folds the hands we want him to continue with to these aggressive lines holds true then I don't see how we can take them. As with 3-betting, check-raising the flop needs to be thoroughly balanced. In other words, you have to c/r these sorts of spots so much that he just won't fold TPmehK+ any more. Then your KQ suddenly has a ton of value.

The problem is you need history for this and, in any event, you probably don't push villain around enough to put him into a position where he won't fold a top-pair hand. Therefore, check-raising is probably not the optimal line. I also accept that few players (myself included) abuse these LP raises enough to cause villain to routinely take flops with hands that KQ dominates (i.e. KJ/QJ/K10, etc). That being the case 3-betting is also sub-optimal. I guess I was in dreamy "I'm a super-lag and can mould my opponents ranges" mode last night. The reality is you are unlikely to have that much intricate history with anyone....save for berlinsbest Most of us could 3-bet ship KQ for value in this spot all day long against him

I three-bet here a ton but not against relatively unknown TAG. Reason being that he's prob not gonna call you light w/ no history, so you're essentially turning your hand into a pure bluff when it has a lot of value in a single-raised pot. Imo, the correct way to approach three-betting is to start out polarized and then shift towards thin value as you start getting called. What Acevader is saying is 100% correct when he starts getting annoyed and calling reraises with hands we dominate and flush draw-y hands, but it's not correct now imo.

no. all i see is calling down can never b profitable. atleast i call down too many streets

range is wide => cr t 2.5x cant be -EV
since i screw up calling i prefer that play

Villain had Jc Tc and my hand is good.

Thanks for all the replies.

By c/r without knowing anything about his reaction a c/r you're likely getting him to fold out all of the hands we beat right now. So basically, you're c/r for information, which is pretty bad.