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09-10-2009 , 01:27 AM
Villain is bigsexy sorry to out but cant find his hud stats, I know hes a decent reg. Checkraise seemed kinda BS, repping a FD,66. I didnt think he would checkraise any mid apirs for value here as my image was very tag.
Any insight...
p.s sorry if i have broken any pendantic forum rules if i have feel free to flame away...


Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+2: $198.40
MP1: $358.35
Hero (MP2): $203.00
CO: $205.35
BTN: $200.00
SB: $200.00
BB: $250.50
UTG: $230.45
UTG+1: $200.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP2 with J Q
4 folds, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, SB calls $7, 1 fold

Flop: ($18.00) 4 4 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12, SB raises to $36, Hero calls $24

Turn: ($90.00) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $45, Hero folds
09-10-2009 , 01:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hh18
Villain is bigsexy sorry to out but cant find his hud stats, I know hes a decent reg. Checkraise seemed kinda BS, repping a FD,66. I didnt think he would checkraise any mid apirs for value here as my image was very tag.
Any insight...
p.s sorry if i have broken any pendantic forum rules if i have feel free to flame away...


Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+2: $198.40
MP1: $358.35
Hero (MP2): $203.00
CO: $205.35
BTN: $200.00
SB: $200.00
BB: $250.50
UTG: $230.45
UTG+1: $200.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP2 with J Q
4 folds, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, SB calls $7, 1 fold

Flop: ($18.00) 4 4 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12, SB raises to $36, Hero calls $24

Turn: ($90.00) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $45, Hero folds
Silly Rabbit...why do you see him check raising top boat on the flop??? ...because you think he's a reg who wants no value...meh...think again
09-10-2009 , 06:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChipMagnet
Silly Rabbit...why do you see him check raising top boat on the flop??? ...because you think he's a reg who wants no value...meh...think again
what does this even mean




OP, this is kind of a disgusting spot. Not results oriented, I am wondering if you should check the flop behind vs people who are likely to c/r dry boards? I doubt I would ever think to do it, but I think its a pretty sweet play.

As played when he check raises the flop all three options kinda suck. When you flat call you have a lot of reverse implied odds vs boats and the nfd (and even trips which will occasionally boat when you hit your flush). I would probably still call and now fold the turn for sure.
09-10-2009 , 06:16 AM
This looks fine.
09-10-2009 , 07:20 AM
I think you played absolutely fine.

Don't really want to NOT cbet on this board, and crai could be a bluff so it is definately worth a cal (and you are inposition), and his second bet confirms you are behind and should fold.
09-10-2009 , 09:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrTarolg
I think you played absolutely fine.

Don't really want to NOT cbet on this board, and crai could be a bluff so it is definately worth a cal (and you are inposition), and his second bet confirms you are behind and should fold.
See, under my iron-fisted reign as mod, this would already have earned BrTarolg a perma ban, yet he seems like a perfectly nice fellow with fairly decent advice.
09-10-2009 , 10:21 AM
Ok, let me rephrase

You want to cbet, and his CR (not CRAI; that was a mistake, it really annoys me how crai sounds like checkraise if you say it out loud) could be a bluff, so it is worth a call in position.
I was using my mum's crappy mac keyboard for that
09-10-2009 , 12:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hh18
p.s sorry if i have broken any pedantic forum rules
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09-10-2009 , 04:55 PM
Thinking about it I think a delayed cbet is good here...
09-10-2009 , 06:05 PM
I kind of hate calling here.

For me it's (on the flop): folding>>>>raising>>>>>>>>>>>calling.
09-11-2009 , 02:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexB182
I kind of hate calling here.

For me it's (on the flop): folding>>>>raising>>>>>>>>>>>calling.
Why do you hate calling (in position)? besides my reverse implied odds.
You think he fires every single everytime, I thought he would shut down his bluffs low turns.

I think I hate raising as im risking $180 to win $66 so he needs to fold like ~75% ( less if I have some equity when called) considering his calling range of boats and better flush draws leaves me almost dead.
09-11-2009 , 05:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hh18
Why do you hate calling (in position)? besides my reverse implied odds.
You think he fires every single everytime, I thought he would shut down his bluffs low turns.

I think I hate raising as im risking $180 to win $66 so he needs to fold like ~75% ( less if I have some equity when called) considering his calling range of boats and better flush draws leaves me almost dead.
Raising definetely depends on whether you think he is capable of making a move there, obv we're completely smoked when he has ONLY 66,64, higher FD's but I think he is making a move on this kind of flop a fair amount of the time (even though he obv shouldn't).
I also think that we should add some weaker hands in his continuation range like 8c7c and prob some pairs like TT,JJ against which we easily have enough equity when called.

And yeah, calling sucks imo due to reverse implied odds and the fact that you'll have to fold so often to a 2nd barrel on the turn. Again it depends on how often you think he is going to fire that 2nd barrel on a pure bluff but your flop call pretty much turns your hand face up as either a medium strenght made hand (like 88,99 stuff perhaps) or a FD.
09-11-2009 , 06:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexB182
And yeah, calling sucks imo due to reverse implied odds and the fact that you'll have to fold so often to a 2nd barrel on the turn. Again it depends on how often you think he is going to fire that 2nd barrel on a pure bluff but your flop call pretty much turns your hand face up as either a medium strenght made hand (like 88,99 stuff perhaps) or a FD.
Just a thought, if we had aces or kings (or queens) what would be our move here?
Call flop and then shove over the turn? (turn card is pretty safe since we don't think villain is playing a 2 gapper but probably suited connector or 1gapper only)

      
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