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01-19-2010 , 05:10 AM

GalacticRewind

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MP2 is 12/10 Aggr 4.4, 19k hands

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Button ($129.20)
SB ($102)
BB ($96.35)
UTG ($246.50)
UTG+1 ($405.35)
MP1 ($71.50)
MP2 ($100)
Hero (MP3) ($97.45)
CO ($114.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with

3 folds, MP2 bets $4, Hero calls $4, 4 folds

Flop: ($9.50)

(2 players)
MP2 bets $6.50, Hero ??

01-19-2010 , 06:14 AM

Free Advice

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 90

3bet pre. As played I flat to control the pot and play the turn. Don't want to raise and then him do something wild with A with a d and push us off our hand.

Last edited by Free Advice; 01-19-2010 at 06:22 AM.

01-19-2010 , 06:49 AM

Keperi

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 234

Whats his fold to 3bet%? If he folds like 85% its an ok flat imo.

Not many made flushes in his range, dunno if this kind of guy raises stuff like 67s or QJs atleast not too frequently, set of 4's sure, AA or KK, highly unlikely. Im a little confused what i'd do against such a tight player. Call i guess. Dont see much that he's calling a raise with.

01-19-2010 , 06:54 AM

zugzwangg

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?????????? this fear of monotone flops is absolutely horrible. what better hands does he shove

01-19-2010 , 07:35 AM

MaliceUW

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zugzwangg

?????????? this fear of monotone flops is absolutely horrible. what better hands does he shove

easy flop flat

Raise/getting it in here against a nit is a pretty awful play

01-19-2010 , 12:46 PM

SaberTJ

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zugzwangg

?????????? this fear of monotone flops is absolutely horrible. what better hands does he shove

I agree with you, why can't this just be a normal cbet from a tag with something like axqd or axjd kxqd etc..? A hand we'd happily get it in with.

I don't agree with just calling this flop. If another diamond comes it will kill the action and we lose value. I would happily get this in on the flop.

01-19-2010 , 01:00 PM

SABR42

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Expecting a tag to 3-bet AxJd or KxQd is pretty optimistic... What does he accomplish by jamming those?

01-19-2010 , 01:13 PM

mce86

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Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,263

No need to raise and inflate the pot...
I might make a raise on the turn and fold to shove as opposed to calling 3 streets..but, doesnt that seem bad?
i guess playing it small here is fine and in order.

01-19-2010 , 06:22 PM

GalacticRewind

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Free Advice

3bet pre.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keperi

Whats his fold to 3bet%? If he folds like 85% its an ok flat imo.

Fto3B 48. Fold to 3-bet is 48, and also Fold to 3-bet from MP is 52.

Are call 3B and 4B also important?
Call3B 40
4B 11.7

01-20-2010 , 03:03 AM

#10

Vanguard

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so he likes to call oop a lot which puts him on a very narrow range against which we can play perfectly. seems like an easy 3bet.

01-20-2010 , 03:33 PM

#11

GalacticRewind

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Holdem Manager actually breaks up the fold-to-3bet stat even further. When in MP, he folds to 3-bet 52% overall, but will fold 58% when the 3-bet comes from a player that is in-position. Does that change anything?

The general fold-to-3bet cutoff lines that I use for determining if my 3-bet is for value or is a bluff are 61% and 49%. If fold-to-3bet > 61, then 3-bet if I should use this hand to bluff-raise. If fold-to-3bet < 49%, then 3-bet if I should use this hand to 3-bet for value. Does that seem correct?

01-20-2010 , 03:37 PM

#12

GalacticRewind

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The more I think about it, the more that I realize that the exact hand that I have is very important here, so perhaps the 61% and 49% cutoff lines that I put in my last post are way too over-generalized. So how should I do it? I would like to have a table of ranges and 3-bet values. Something like this:

When fold-to-3bet is 85%, then 3-bet as a bluff 100% of the time, and smooth-call with a range of ___.
When fold-to-3bet is 75%, then 3-bet as a bluff ___% of the time, and smooth-call with a range of ___.
When fold-to-3bet is 65%, then 3-bet as a bluff ___% of the time, and smooth-call with a range of ___.
When fold-to-3bet is 61%, then 3-bet as a bluff ___% of the time, and smooth-call with a range of ___.
50%-60% is "in-between."
When fold-to-3bet is 49%, then 3-bet for value with a narrow range of ___.
When fold-to-3bet is 45%, then 3-bet for value with a range of ___.
When fold-to-3bet is 40%, then 3-bet for value with a range of ___.
When fold-to-3bet is 35%, then 3-bet for value with a range of ___.
When fold-to-3bet is 30%, then 3-bet for value with a range of ___.
When fold-to-3bet is 25%, then 3-bet for value with a range of ___.
When fold-to-3bet is 20%, then 3-bet for value with a wide range of ___.

Does anyone know what ranges should go in the blanks? And what percents should go in the other blanks? I think that someone must have already figured this out.

01-20-2010 , 03:51 PM

#13

lozen

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I call the flop and see what hits the turn. I 3 bet this preflop though

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