So I just sat at the table a few hands ago but the guy's odd stack + 7bb open raise make mt think he probably sucks. First time he's made an oversized raise, and I haven't seen him do anything ridiculous in the 3 hands I've been there.
Preflop, I could reraise or flat, but I lean towards flatting because a)people who raise 7bb pre usually barrel large and often postflop, and b)there are two loose-passives yet to act and I want them in the pot.
Flop I think is a clear call, but should I throw out a raise-fold on either the turn or the river?


Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
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Hero (CO): $110.75
BTN: $206.55
SB: $43.70
BB: $39.00
UTG: $111.60
UTG+1: $86.85
MP: $173.20

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with A A
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $7, 1 fold, Hero calls $7, 3 folds

Flop: ($15.50) J J T (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $12, Hero calls $12

Turn: ($39.50) 3 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $5, Hero calls $5

River: ($49.50) 5 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $15, Hero calls $15

definitely minraise river, otherwise good

Meh, when someone raises to $7 UTG, I generally assume they're not folding to a three-bet. I guess it's possible that you still make more money by flatting because he retains the initiatve, but my standard, barring reads on the players to act behind, is prob to three-bet and expect to be called or four-bet nearly always.

As played, I'm pretty impressed that you managed to go to showdown in a 15bb pot OTF holding AA vs an 87 stack w/o getting all the money in, . I would raise the turn, I think.

lol =]
Would you fold to a turn 3bet?

Heavens no.

Oh ok that's interesting. Can you explain?
I thought the $5 turn bet was either 'I want a cheap showdown/river card' or 'I've got Jx/TT and will do something ghey and maybe he'll raise me'.

This makes me want to mini 3bet pre. He´s calling. Then half-pot almost any flop, the villain will call and he now has ~a potsized bet left and we have two more streets.
So that would be my general plan.

Don't read into it so much. You put in like 8% effective pre with AA against an unknown who obviously has no clue what he's doing. Your primary objective is to get the stacks in the middle. It really is a cooler if he has you beat, there's just no way to save your stack w/o majorly sacrificing value.

eh flatting allows the loose passives in but it changes the original villains game plan. if u get even one more caller original villain isnt going to pot pot pot (or call pot pot pot) even nearly as often.

but when a fish bets to 7 u can easily 3x him and he will call like 95 percent of hte time. and once he calls that much he will convinnce himself to call the flop bet if he has one over even. and from there u got him.

3bet pre

as played raise turn to 30, try to get it in by riv.

not 3betting pre is a huge, huge mistake imo. as played, im raising the turn, and betting 1/3-1/2 pot on river

This is a classic example of projection rearing its ugly head when dealing with a drooler. The simple fact is that they aren't thinking about the game in the way you are. That's what makes them droolers. Oh, sure, they *think* they're thinking, but it's generally so flawed that equating it with normal human brain activity is a serious leak.

I think 3betting pre >>> flatcalling just because it makes it so stupidly easy to get stacks in that it weighs out the equity of the fish behind you, and the fact that this guy is likely completely positionally unaware, will likely 4bet-stack laughable hands like TT-JJ-AQ, and will be completely oblivious to how strong your line is.

Once we flat call I don't see how we fail to raise either the turn or river, and I'm stacking off all day with AA against this villain on this board with this action.

Small chance if he had checked the flop, but very unlikely given that he put in an 80% pot flop bet.

i don't like a min raise because i am sure he is calling 3x raise just as often

I would be very surprised if he folded to a 3bet pre.

I agree guys that overbet UTG will not fold to a 3 bet

this imo

Please for the love of god 3b pre. He's almost never folding pre and it will be super super super easy to get him to stack off post with any crappy pair/draw/A high/bare overs since the pot will be so big.

yeah I mean srsly, why the hell do you flat there PF?

lol k i get the idea, 3bet. Reason for not 3betting pre was 2 50+ vpips yet to act and another moderately bad player as well. Also figured it'd be easy to get stacks in regardless (I just decided not to given paired board).

which villains were the 50+ vpips? the fullstack who has position on u or the two shorties in the blinds?

one of each