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88 calling down vs unknown 88 calling down vs unknown

02-06-2009 , 09:01 PM
this guy is 33/0/5 over 30 hands

seems like hes FOS here so I wanna call down. who folds, and when?


Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 30574
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CO: $118.40
BTN: $106.00
SB: $428.95
BB: $202.55
UTG: $100.00
Hero (UTG+1): $202.00
UTG+2: $594.55
MP1: $200.00
MP2: $229.25

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG+1 with 8 8
1 fold, Hero raises to $6, 4 folds, BTN calls $6, 2 folds

Flop: ($15.00) 7 3 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $10, BTN raises to $20, Hero calls $10

Turn: ($55.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $20, Hero calls $20

River: ($95.00) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $60 all in, Hero calls $60
02-07-2009 , 01:24 AM
Not unless I saw him go crazy prior, although that agression stat is prime for this play.

Fold flop and wait for a better spot.
02-07-2009 , 07:11 AM
30 hands = nothing
just forget the stats and most of all the AF.
we just see that he might have the tendency to be loose passivish preflop and even that is speculation.

imo this is an easy fold on the flop and its not even close.
we have to play for stacks with a very mediocre hand cause with the stacksizes he can get us all in so easily if he wants.
and minraises arent weak if they are done by bad players most of the time and this particulary player also seems to be on the passivish side so this is even a stronger move.
i always get fked when calling those minraises even with better hands than yours.
02-07-2009 , 11:11 AM
Fold flop, as played, fold river for sure. People who minraise flops rarely have worse than 88 here.
02-07-2009 , 05:58 PM
You're behind more often than not. Of the times you're ahead, I'd say you're equity is super thin. I just fold the flop, wait to take his money later. Now, if you decide to be a hero here, I don't understand why you wouldn't CRAI on the turn. You got one of the few total blanks to roll off here, so if you think you're ahead enough to warrant a showdown, then why not CRAI and charge draws maximum, and perhaps fold his weaker holdings like his 2 overcards having 6 outs. You're setting yourself up for some really awkward rivers if you flat the turn because the pot will be $95 and his stack is $60. There are probably a million hands in his range, but he's shipping the river probably regardless of what he has or whether he gets there if in fact he's on a draw. But there are so many terrifying cards that could fall on the river. Like you're seriously going to check/call if the Ad or Jd falls?
02-07-2009 , 06:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
Fold flop, as played, fold river for sure. People who minraise flops rarely have worse than 88 here.
Leading up to the river is terrible IMO. But as played, I think the river is a snap call. I think b/c flop, and c/c turn are awful, but I don't think you can play like that and then fold on this river, which is one of the few blank rivers in the deck. You beat basically his missed draws, which do make up a considerable part of his range and some kind of really goofy little pp's. I think making two hero calls and then c/f this river is about the worst way you could have played the hand, so I'm glad you at least called on the river.
02-07-2009 , 10:04 PM
I get shown this line a lot when I have an overpair. Even if we get to the turn like this, I think the huge river bet is a "well, my tp just got better!! WEEEEE". I never believe it...and get shown 9x, then puke.
02-07-2009 , 10:14 PM
if hes minraising flop for his flush draw or straight draw hes gonna check the turn i would think.

omg are u bentley? are u sir?? are u?
02-08-2009 , 06:57 PM
ok thanks guys sounds like i should just fold flop or turn at latest, i like what cheddar said about CRAI turn if we really want to show it down

Spoiler:
villain had JT
02-08-2009 , 06:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by booger369

omg are u bentley? are u sir?? are u?
lol no
02-08-2009 , 08:32 PM
good win, but in long term bad call, fold the flop.

did u had a good read on him?

also if u are going to call river all in why not shove the river first
02-08-2009 , 10:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Poemmel
30 hands = nothing
just forget the stats and most of all the AF.
we just see that he might have the tendency to be loose passivish preflop and even that is speculation.
Keep telling yourself that!
02-08-2009 , 11:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vhunter
good win, but in long term bad call, fold the flop.

did u had a good read on him?
not really hes just bad

Quote:
Originally Posted by vhunter
also if u are going to call river all in why not shove the river first
shoving folds out most of the nonsense he would try to bluff all in with

      
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