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12-06-2013 , 05:38 PM
Hi!

I've been trying to advance my hand reading a notch recently. This is a hand I played a couple of days ago, and I made this post-analysis just now.

I'm not sure if I'm overthinking/overleveling stuff or not (especially on the turn). Anyway, any thougts about my thoughts are HIGHLY appreciated!

Hand
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PokerStars - $1.00 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 42.18 BB (VPIP: 12.21, PFR: 5.13, 3Bet Preflop: 4.98, Hands: 576)
UTG: 49.44 BB (VPIP: 15.30, PFR: 11.85, 3Bet Preflop: 4.32, Hands: 531)
UTG+1: 40 BB (VPIP: 16.66, PFR: 14.47, 3Bet Preflop: 5.92, Hands: 1,531)
MP: 45.46 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 81)
MP+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.94, PFR: 15.64, 3Bet Preflop: 5.62, Hands: 1,530)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.79, PFR: 13.49, 3Bet Preflop: 10.54, Hands: 1,479)
Hero (BTN): 125.64 BB
SB: 55.04 BB (VPIP: 16.25, PFR: 13.63, 3Bet Preflop: 5.21, Hands: 2,568)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 A

fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 8 K 3
CO checks, Hero bets 10.5 BB, CO raises to 25 BB, Hero calls 14.5 BB

Turn: (69.5 BB, 2 players) 6
CO checks, Hero checks

River: (69.5 BB, 2 players) K
CO bets 31 BB, fold


My Thougths
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PRE-FLOP

Villain opens 20% from the CO. His overall Fold vs 3bet is 59%. His Fold vs Flop Cbet is 67% (10/15). With position and A7s, a 3bet looks fine.

Range we rep: QQ+/AXs+/KQ (Am I OK here?)
Villain's range: 88+/AQ+ (Am I OK here?)

THE FLOP

We should be C-betting this board with most of our range. Probably checking back KQ/QQ. So, when we CBet, we have a good amount of air in our range, making a call from villain's 88+ profitable (by this token, we should C-bet QQ and KQ for value?!?!) But, since we have a NFD+OC, we can afford that. Moreover, we can double barrel (with 12outs) villain off his weakest pairs.

We Cbet and villain raise. When he raises, I think he has either 88 or KK or air (TT-99 and AQ). Actually, raising KK here isn't too good, since him holding 2 Kings makes it hard for us to have a K, thus we aren't continuing too often to this raise. Plus, since we have a decent amout of air in our range, it doesn't make much sense for him to x/r his value OTF.

- 3betshove: seems like a good play here (Stove + FE calculator confirms it, if my assumptions are right).

- call: seems also a good play. When we call here, our range is strong (AK,KK+,AXs), so not too likely for villain to keep on bluffing. So, when he checks to us OTT, we can bet and take the pot. When he bets, we make a math decision.

- fold: getting 3.79:1 IP, when he can have air in his range, looks like folding isn't an option.

THE TURN

Villain checks a brick, like he would do with his air and possibly with some part of his value range. Regardless, we have the green light to bet here and take down the pot the times he has air. BUT!, since we know that his range is weak, and if he knows he's repping a weak range, we wouldn't be betting our strong stuff here. So we would only be bluffing on this spot. (Jeeeeeez!)

Bet: I think I'm probably overthinking here, but if we bet, we rep a weak range, and villain can shove on us?

Check: We get a free card, realize our equity when villain has checked a strong hand. And we would do this with our strong range?

THE RIVER

I find it soooooo weird when villain bets the K. The only hand that makes sense to me is 88. I can't see villain bluffing on this spot, because our repped range is strong.



Thank you!
12-06-2013 , 07:25 PM
You're overthinking. He can't get all the money in on the flop with dominated flushdraws if you dont 3b/gii. This also prevents you from being bluffed on brick turns.
12-06-2013 , 08:02 PM
Dont think we rep a weak range when we bet call flop and bet the turn,altought i wouldnt do it. On the river,i would fold.Btw ,we can see villain with AA and AK with some frequency in this spot,besides sets.He could cr the flop with AA or AK because he knows u think he wouldnt never cr the K on this spot.Dont see he gii on the flup w dominated draws,and when he cr,he has either dominated draws and monsters.
On the turn :
-Ck w the intention to fold to a river bet.With the bet- call on the flop,we rep the K,or a pair,dont see him tryin to bluff again a naked FD here .
12-06-2013 , 10:19 PM
For the overall gameplan it's a shove on the flop.

Hmm CO vs BU no clue on this "dry" board... hmmm. villains c/r makes no sense to me.
Cause that i shove flop. But i would call his raise with all my premiums.......???? hehe

As played the turn is very difficult. Risk the stack or take the free equity.... i dont know. i think ingame i would jam to punish him.

Last edited by JFKHamburger; 12-06-2013 at 10:38 PM.
12-07-2013 , 03:35 AM
Vast overthinking ITT. Shove flop. You're a flip against his range for getting it in, and by shoving you can get Villain to make a huge mistake in folding a PP or his airball bluffs with AT-AQ.
12-07-2013 , 06:57 AM
shove flop and win your race vs KQ
12-07-2013 , 01:29 PM
just ship it
12-07-2013 , 01:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OfCourse
You're a flip against his range for getting it in
What do you think villain will a shove with?
12-07-2013 , 01:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenzor
shove flop and win your race vs KQ
Why would he raise KQ OTF?
12-07-2013 , 01:54 PM
he doesnt have KQ

imo he has a ****load of bluffs (however some bluff actually beat your hand) there and you should just ship it. or if hes bad he might have like TT/JJ and raise just to see if hes good, its rare but some bad reg actually do that. And in that case too you win by shoving

if he has AA or 88 well thats just too bad
12-07-2013 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by dididi
Why would he raise KQ OTF?
they shouldnt, but its 100nl

although everyone itt thinks his craise is FoS which i assume means they'll counter it by floating/3betting a wide range, so maybe a craise/ccall line is good vs spewy regs.
12-07-2013 , 09:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dididi
What do you think villain will a shove with?
Any heart draw, AK/AA/KKK/88.
12-08-2013 , 04:19 AM
Dont see gim gii with dominated FDs.I dont think there is any chance he cr qk on this flop,neither TT or JJ .
12-08-2013 , 10:00 PM
whats wrong with sometimes raising KQ?

      
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