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11-09-2008 , 02:26 AM
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Hopefully this is one of those deals where two years back when I'm playing the nosebleeds somebody will link to this and we'll all have a good laugh. And off we go.

BTN in the hand is pretty much an ABC player. Fairly tight, doesn't mix it up too much with speculative hands.

BB on the other hand has been a bit limpy. He will call a lot of preflop bets but this is probably the first hand I've seen him 3-bet while at the table. We have no prior history.


Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP2: $225.05
Hero (CO): $249.95
BTN: $211.80
SB: $200.00
BB: $120.95
UTG: $201.30
UTG+1: $199.00
MP1: $397.30

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is CO with A Q
4 folds, Hero raises to $8, BTN calls $8, 1 fold, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $10, BTN calls $10

Flop: ($55.00) 8 J A (3 players)
BB bets $24, Hero calls $24, BTN folds

Turn: ($103.00) J (2 players)
BB bets $50, Hero ?

Generally I don't call a lot of 3-bets in full ring with AQ but in this case I have position and I'm getting 3.5:1.

Preflop I'm putting BTN on something like mid to high suited connectors or a pair not worth 3-betting me in position.

I'd like to know what you guys would do with this flop. More often than not I don't have to worry about BTN so I'm not worried about flatting the BB's lead only to be raised out of the pot. I expected him to fold just as he did.

Is raising that flop or flatting the best decision? I'm really putting the BB on a tight range by 3-betting preflop. He's demonstrated the inability to make appropriate bet sizes in most of his previous hands so I'm really not interpretting a 2/5 pot bet as a weak c-bet with air. My other issue is that I have a somewhat vulnerable hand to be raising with. I'm not getting called by much that I beat and getting shoved on by everything that beats me. Yes/no?

On the turn he leads again for 1/2 pot leaving himself less than $30 behind. I beat KK, QQ, AT< at this point and split with AQ, but I really don't see him 3-betting OOP with AQ. I'm smoked by AA/AK/AJ and nothing else seems to fit his range.

Thoughts on the hand and the decision on the turn?
11-09-2008 , 05:40 PM
Bump
11-09-2008 , 05:46 PM
Yeah, you lose only to AA and JJ (but he will probably check this flop 100% of the time) and AK.

He is a donk, he can be valuebetting worse or blockbetting KK or a draw.

I shove, he has only 30$ behind. But that is why I hate call RR with AQo.
11-09-2008 , 05:47 PM
Epic 2nd post!
jk

It's hard to tell whether or not BB is making a move without stats.
So assuming he is not playing back at you:
You don't really beat another ace, unless he is 3betting with A10. He could have KK or QQ here I suppose and is trying to protect it.
You are getting the odds, but I think you should fold here. You aren't ahead enough of the time, and even when you are, your equity is not as good if he has a heart.
11-09-2008 , 11:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 13_Xerxes
But that is why I hate call RR with AQo.
So I'm not the only one. You're pretty much required to when the pot is $35 and you only have to call $10, aren't you? Given BTN is probably calling and putting in another $10 increasing the equity.
11-10-2008 , 06:23 AM
Well, it didn't just cost you $10 did it.

Anyway, since villain doesn't have much left i'd jack it in on the turn too and wish I'd folded preflop :-). If villain had a full stack you'd be in even a worse spot too.
11-10-2008 , 06:56 AM
as played call turn and re-evaluate river
11-10-2008 , 01:23 PM
Poker Poker Poker,

WTF are you talking about? If hero calls the turn the most he'll be facing on the river is a $28 bet into a $203 pot
11-10-2008 , 01:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by goofball
If hero calls the turn the most he'll be facing on the river is a $28 bet into a $203 pot
Snap fold ldo.

      
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