I really really really want to call here. Villain 1 is mentally challenged. Villain two has been running 34/17 and has demonstrated significant signs of idiocy. I have been playing 20/14 and have iso'd these two a bunch so it is possible he is getting frustrated. Villain's line just makes no sense. I feel like I could see 55 here as much as AA. AQ, TT, any random crap seems possible since a) I've been bullying him, and b) he's a drooler. Given the money already in the pot from Villain 1's call, I'm fine vs anything but AA and KK, and given the fact that I have AK, those odds are reduced.

Obviously folding is the easy and safe play, but am I nuts for wanting to call here?

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: $183.75
UTG+2: $306.65
MP1: $113.20
MP2: $236.00
CO: $410.75
Hero (BTN): $555.00
SB: $445.30
BB: $441.85
UTG: $375.70

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with K A
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $4, UTG+2 calls $4, 3 folds, Hero raises to $19, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $15, UTG+2 raises to $306.65 all in, Hero ...

I call. Flip at worst imo.

i think fold

never fold ak pre to a fish

Fold. You need 46% of equity and pocket pairs have you 57-43. Calling is EV- altought his range is as wide as 22+/AK/AQs (hoping UTG+1 will fold).

I imagine villain being weak tite and snapcall.

We are in position, we can call the AI and play a flop. IMO.

Oop, it is a snap fold.

i think this is a fold even if he turns out to have 55 utg1 maybe have AK too or AX so some of the time we dont have full 6 outs i will make a crying fold

LOL even if he has 55 we are still barely getting odds to call. Fold.

Huh? How do we call an all-in and then play a flop?

Interesting diversity of opinions here for a relatively straightforward decision. 75bb deep or 100bb and its psychologically easier...150bb in what is likely a flip is tougher though.

Fwiw I called.

He was messing with you about playing a flop.

It isn't just a psychological different with the stack sizes, its a mathematical one... I'd probably fold here.

fold fast. they never have aq enough here, and donks love to "trap" with aa or kk. ive seen that a bunch of times.

sooooooooo you called, and he showed??? Was 34/17 villain DJChrisNew?

why do you think he's more likely to shove 22 than AQ, or AJ?

I don't know. There's a chance that the other idiot would also call. Folding seems better, it is an EV neutral situation, but seriously, do not fold here.

No, not DJChris.

Original raiser folder and villain showed AA. To rub salt in the wound, I hit a king on the flop and an ace on the river to lose w/ 2 pair.

hehe

you really wanna call this guy. yea he probably has a coin flip on you. something like 99 or i dunno. but....why not just grind him if hes a bum

I don't get the call responses here. From my experience this is almost always a pair. And lets say for the sake of argument that he does this with any pair and we are flipping at worst. You have 9.5 BBs in the pot and you want to flip for 150? Why not just wait for a hand if you know (or think in this case) that he will make these donk plays with crappy hands. For 150 BBs, I fold and wait for an 80/20.

[QUOTE=Drifter_Matt;6886316]hehe

you really wanna call this guy. yea he probably has a coin flip on you. something like 99 or i dunno. but....why not just grind him if hes a bum

)ou're probably right. No need to gamble when he'll give away his money anyway.

I don't think it, just want to stand out we are way behind to any pocket pair.

LOL. This guy isn't shoving 22 but it's still a fold IMO.

if we were not all in already i'd try to talk with him about this his decision..
100bb i dont even think. but 150bb deep i dont know. i call. good ?

it amazes me that with <10bb invested and a hand that will miss the flop 70+% of the time you'd think about risking your stack. You're behind almost everything that the Villian can shove with and not getting the odds needed to justify calling. Sounds like I've been to this movie with you b4 and it always ends the same way. Give it the 2.5 microseconds of thought it deserves, check your ego at the door, and fold. You can't think this is the best spot in a session to get it all-in with, can you?

i love how you call this guy a mentally challenged donk but he's the one who got you to put 150bbs aipf only having 7% equity.

why are we bumping last year's threads?