I've arbitrarily decided I'm not folding here. Villain is 16/13 over ~200 hands. No reads.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
SB ($429)
BB ($203)
UTG ($469)
Hero ($221)
UTG+2 ($200)
MP1 ($206)
CO ($200)
BTN ($707)

Dealt to Hero A A

fold, Hero raises to $7, fold, MP1 calls $7, fold, fold, SB calls $6, fold

FLOP ($23) 6 4 3

SB checks, Hero bets $16, MP1 raises to $40, SB folds, Hero ???

really? I'd fold really really quickly.

If suddenly my fold button dissapered I'd just instead though. It's better to ship on the flop if he's got like JJ instead of waiting for the table to have four to a straight or something.

anyways... I agree fold >>> ship > call

Hahaha n1 (nice one, if you haven't played Warcraft or similar )

I don't actually care about WHAT situation you've gotten yourself into.

But I read the opening salvo and do you know my insta-thought?

<<<<GAWK, I wish I knew this guy's sn>>>

grunch

2 things.

Thing 1:

As played, I think you just call. You could easily be beat here, with few outs. At this point, you'd like to see a turn card; getting almost 4:1 is a good price. Yea, opponent could be semi-bluffing a good percentage of the time. Any reraise on your part, however, gives him a correct call if he is indeed on a solid draw. Your best reraise, then, is a shove; but that gets pocket Queens to fold, and that's not good.

The A is such a huge part of your hand here. It is why you want to see a turn. Without the A, I think you have an easy fold.

Thing 2:

Everyone has stacks of 100BB+, so I think it's generally OK to regard AA as predominatley set farm material.

I'd call and precede with caution. You can't make it too easy for someone to semi bluff you on a flush draw there. Probably fold to a big turn raise though.

Call. Donk/fold brick on turn. C/f scare card turns. If he has a draw and the turn is a brick, he'll just call you. Then on a brick river, c/c the rest of his stack.

That is, if you arbitrarily decided not to fold the flop.

Seems like a really standard shove imo. Btw, it's better to not have the Ace of clubs in this spot than to have it.

Why do you think its better to not have Ac here? Are you hoping that the Ace-high FD is part of their range?

Of course.... you want them to call w/ the NFD, right?

Yes. Some people regs call too much w/ suited Aces so it's possible that he has any suited Ace, but def AQs and AKs are in his range pre.

ATC, you must have a pretty laggy/crazy image if you can make a 'standard shove' here and profit from it. Personally this is usually a marginal fold for me with my image/style. I'm going to be crushed or against some decent equity far too often often to shove and, when/if I do, villain doesn't spaz off any more money with the - admittedly small - air part of his range.

@acevader, i am more likely to shove this board vs 16/13 than to shove a board like 89T. he doesn't have that many two pairs in his range and has usually 56s+ (because he looks like a taggy reg) or some big draw or misplayed overpair/flush draw + overs, etc. etc. all of which we crush.

when aggro ppl rep a set nice try they have it lol.


Also @rest: can somebody help me out with odds here? When we jam I think we offer villian 160 to win 240, so he needs to have about 40% equity right? If you are in villians spot raising say QcJc, do you call it off vs a shove?

depends who's shoving

And I don't like shoving here at all

this is soooooo villain dependant i dont' really like shoving so i will probably peel