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100NL: tpnk on drawy board vs. a frequent check raiser 100NL: tpnk on drawy board vs. a frequent check raiser

02-15-2011 , 08:35 AM
$1 NL - Holdem - 9 players

UTG+1: $49.50
MP: $182.80
Hero (MP+1): $504.82
LP: $127.11
CO: $87.08
BTN: $100.00
SB: $131.66
BB: $41.85
UTG: $45.96

SB posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero has A 7

UTG raises to $2.67, fold, MP calls $2.67, Hero calls $2.67, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $2.17, BB calls $1.67

Flop: ($13.35, 5 players) J A T
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $8.90, SB raises to $40.05, fold, fold, fold, Hero ??

villain is 13/7/2.47af over 1450 hands. 3bet %2. flop check raise %7 (5/68), raise %9, af 2.9.
02-15-2011 , 09:24 AM
second hand with some similarity

$1 NL - Holdem - 9 players

CO: $100.00
Hero (BTN): $110.55
SB: $100.98
BB: $170.74
UTG: $107.90
UTG+1: $207.49
MP: $47.50
MP+1: $26.30
LP: $43.65

SB posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero has A Q

UTG calls $1.00, fold, MP calls $1.00, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $6.00, fold, fold, UTG calls $5.00, MP calls $5.00

Flop: ($19.50, 3 players) T T 4
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $13.00, UTG raises to $32.00, fold, Hero calls $19.00

Turn: ($83.50, 2 players) A
UTG checks, Hero ??

villain is 17/9/1.55 over 930 hands. 3bet %2. fold to cbet %50, check raise %9 (3/33). flop af1.6. w$sd when bet/raise flop 2/4.
02-15-2011 , 09:40 AM
Frequent????

EDIT: I believe folding is the best play in both of these hands, and preflop in the first.
Just curious, what is your plan if he shoves a non Q or A turn in hand 2?

Last edited by Jabba021; 02-15-2011 at 09:42 AM. Reason: added some content
02-15-2011 , 10:07 AM
I'd 3bet or fold pre in the first hand unless MP was a fish. Definitely checking that flop. Or folding now that we bet and got raised. I wouldnt call him a frequent checkraiser either, neither of em actually.

I dunno if i'd cbet or not on that board.. We have some backdoors though and its a good board to cbet.. He looks alot like a flushdraw now that he checked the turn. Or weirdly played QQ-AA. Dont have time to think more atm. .
02-15-2011 , 10:32 AM
1st hand is an incredibly easy fold.
02-15-2011 , 10:41 AM
lol at first hand. 7% super frequent fosho! you should be folding AJ here as well
02-15-2011 , 10:42 AM
How are guys with 7% and 9% frequent raisers?
02-15-2011 , 11:09 AM


i guess i'm totally off here on the percentages then. would it be correct to assume though that %7/%9 means the check raises are not only for value?

jabba: to fold
02-15-2011 , 12:19 PM
I'd probably really only start to give ppl credit for a decent frequency of non-nut hands (or draws with <12 outs) when their raise% is up above say 12%. Even when it's 12% or so though, even though they are bluffing sometimes, they're probably still not bluffing enough to make me happy when holding TP. Remember that just because they have some bluffs in their range, you're still not necessarily ahead of that range when you take all their value hands into account.
02-15-2011 , 04:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerRon247
I'd probably really only start to give ppl credit for a decent frequency of non-nut hands (or draws with <12 outs) when their raise% is up above say 12%. Even when it's 12% or so though, even though they are bluffing sometimes, they're probably still not bluffing enough to make me happy when holding TP. Remember that just because they have some bluffs in their range, you're still not necessarily ahead of that range when you take all their value hands into account.
This to a T. <10% ch/r just have such a tiny few amount of bluffs that it's just about never going to be profitable trying to catch them. Especially when your one guy is 13/7. Not exactly a sparkling image of laggy play there sir.
02-16-2011 , 12:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by djo


i guess i'm totally off here on the percentages then. would it be correct to assume though that %7/%9 means the check raises are not only for value?

jabba: to fold
I'd say < 15% is basically not messing around enough to make you worry.

      
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