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100NL: QQ against 2 villains pre 100NL: QQ against 2 villains pre

07-06-2009 , 05:13 PM
3 bettor is 12/8/0.3/50 over 26, and opener is unknown.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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UTG: $100.00
UTG+1: $58.50
UTG+2: $86.55
Hero (MP1): $100.00
MP2: $31.45
CO: $97.00
BTN: $18.50
SB: $37.50
BB: $22.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP1 with Q Q
UTG raises to $4, UTG+1 raises to $13, 1 fold, Hero?

I don't have a whole lot of info on either guy, but hated most options here, so what do you think? 3 bettor is short. Do I raise to defend against mid pairs coming along by full stack, or flat? Or neither. Reasons?
07-06-2009 , 05:38 PM
Tough spot, but I think you have to fold. The 3bettor is a rock, and he's coming over the top of a UTG raiser from UTG+1. He's representing extreme strength in a spot where a bluff is highly unlikely. Even if you are slightly ahead of his range you still have to consider the very real possibility that UTG might have a monster.

There's definitely a case to be made for raising about the size of the pot and just going with the hand, but I can't imagine any defensible argument for calling. Calling allows a hand like AK to play perfectly against you, and if the flop comes out low you're again faced with having to either make an uncomfortable fold or uncomfortably put your whole stack in against players representing huge hands.
07-06-2009 , 06:14 PM
fold
07-06-2009 , 07:19 PM
Lol. I think I've gotten like every response on this one (fold, raise, call) from players i respect. Anyway, you folders, what do you need to continue? kk+?
07-06-2009 , 11:27 PM
Seems like a pretty easy fold. Yeah, the range to continue given the info is KK+.
07-07-2009 , 12:03 AM
Fold, and I don't think it's particularly close.
07-07-2009 , 12:35 AM
comfortably fold. KK+ is about all i would continue with
07-07-2009 , 12:38 AM
KK+, and i'm probably not 4-betting KK
07-07-2009 , 07:49 AM
K. So, I'm guessing this would change if say, raiser was MP, CO was 3 bettor, and I'm on button? Trying to understand reasoning, since my natural instinct here was not to fold. Barely even considered it. "I has QQ!!!" Guess I have a leak.
07-07-2009 , 07:59 AM
I fold here.


But, if we make you the UTG opener and keep the same 3-better and we get a full-stack cold-call behind the 3-better, then I call every single time.

      
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