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100NL; my draw bricks, but maybe so does his? 100NL; my draw bricks, but maybe so does his?

08-18-2011 , 01:24 AM
Quick line check, villain is 18/16 (4.1k hands) donk bet 21% and just generally aggro.
We are deep enough that I dont like jamming flop, yes he probably folds better draws but i think by calling and raising later on we win more monies.

Turn is where I'm not too sure on jam/call/fold, I went with call because I think it keeps my range stronger, and he really can't bluff river if I call.

Now otr the fd bricks but the A binks, my plan was to jam a brick, but how bricky is an ace???

Btw im 17/15 pretty aggro myself, thanks in advance.





    [hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10296772

    BTN: $36.80 (36.8 bb)
    SB: $134.65 (134.7 bb)
    BB: $110.05 (110.1 bb)
    UTG+1: $39.50 (39.5 bb)
    UTG+2: $100 (100 bb)
    MP1: $74.25 (74.3 bb)
    MP2: $43.45 (43.5 bb)
    MP3: $38.50 (38.5 bb)
    Hero (CO): $136.90 (136.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with J T
    5 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, BTN folds, SB calls $2, BB folds

    Flop: ($6) 4 9 Q (2 players)
    SB bets $4.25, Hero raises to $12, SB raises to $25, Hero calls $13

    Turn: ($56) 4 (2 players)
    SB bets $35.10, Hero calls $35.10

    River: ($126.20) A (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $74.30 and is all-in
    08-18-2011 , 01:37 AM
    dont like it. he can play any value hand this way and if he has AK-ATcc then hes gonna c/c

    i also fold turn
    08-18-2011 , 01:58 AM
    betting 30 would accomplish the same thing
    08-18-2011 , 04:42 AM
    flat flop seems better cuz getting 3bet's pretty gross
    as played fold turn
    08-18-2011 , 04:53 AM
    If you feel jam-happy I'd rather shove flop if he is such an aggro. Calling that turn is really bad IMO as he might already have a boat or is on a FD and your reverse implied odds >>> implied odds.

    I also don't like the jam OTR: for him it should quite possible you were on a draw the A is the perfect bluff card and it should tell you a lot that he did not use it to jam. If I were him I would jam any missed draw and c/c any paired ace & boat
    08-18-2011 , 08:04 AM
    I don't like the turn call either. On the flop there's nothing you can do but call his 3ball with these stacks.

    Riv shove is pretty bad I think. Once he checks riv he obviously has something and that something probably isn't folding to <2/3 potsize bet when you don't rep much.
    08-18-2011 , 02:14 PM
    Do you even play 99 and QQ this way?
    08-18-2011 , 03:16 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by grumpy_grinder
    Do you even play 99 and QQ this way?
    100%, why wouldn't i?
    08-18-2011 , 03:34 PM
    i think you get a ton of folds on the river. who b/3b flop, barrel turn, and then c/c riv. id guess he hit the ace, and will c/f it b/c your line is very credible
    08-18-2011 , 03:43 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vinivici9586
    i think you get a ton of folds on the river. who b/3b flop, barrel turn, and then c/c riv. id guess he hit the ace, and will c/f it b/c your line is very credible
    :/
    08-18-2011 , 03:44 PM
    flop/turn are pretty spewy imo
    08-18-2011 , 04:38 PM
    Not sure why? he has like one set combo and unlikely plays Qx this way
    08-18-2011 , 04:48 PM
    RIO, inability to bluff in general on this board on future streets, and he has way more than 1 set combo with these stacks
    08-18-2011 , 07:42 PM
    Would you really flat this small flop 3b with a set on this dripping wet board?
    08-19-2011 , 03:57 AM
    I'd flat flop and fold turn here; with a FD and a finished boat I wouldn't count on hitting my 8 outs which turn into 6 (or zero?) outs because of the FD.

    SB only raised so high because you gave him reason to. If you flat flop it gives you much more implied odds to let any FD pay your straight if you hit the right cards. Also if you hit 8 or K you still can get value here. Just don't shove the flop and stay away from getting pot commited.

    Last edited by Uhrenknecht; 08-19-2011 at 04:04 AM.
    08-19-2011 , 11:24 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NDHand
    Would you really flat this small flop 3b with a set on this dripping wet board?
    Perhaps your right, but Qx I probably do

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Uhrenknecht
    I'd flat flop and fold turn here; with a FD and a finished boat I wouldn't count on hitting my 8 outs which turn into 6 (or zero?) outs because of the FD.

    SB only raised so high because you gave him reason to. If you flat flop it gives you much more implied odds to let any FD pay your straight if you hit the right cards. Also if you hit 8 or K you still can get value here. Just don't shove the flop and stay away from getting pot commited.
    We dont need to hit our outs to win the pot though

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hurt
    RIO, inability to bluff in general on this board on future streets, and he has way more than 1 set combo with these stacks
    Disagree on RIO, im not about to pay him off when the K or 8 of clubs binks. Also I think I can bluff him off better draws when they miss, and some Qx.
    Yes he has 44 also I guess but turn makes that unlikely.
    08-19-2011 , 06:53 PM
    results?
    08-20-2011 , 10:14 AM
    Yeah but the action on the flop is rly terrible for our fold equity
    08-20-2011 , 11:17 AM
    Villain timebanks AJcc
    08-20-2011 , 12:13 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RAW_FORCE
    if he has AK-ATcc then hes gonna c/c
    pm for coaching

    (not really plz dont infract me)
    08-20-2011 , 12:16 PM
    Your too good. Is my line better if I plan to jam any non AQ4 or club river?

          
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